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wanting to get "into" air brushing Advice Needed

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wanting to get "into" air brushing Advice Needed
Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 10, 2003 12:47 PM
Hello all.

I'm new to this site and am amazed at all the great info I'm finding here.

As the Subject says, I need advice about how I should go about looking into what I should get for my first "air - kit". Right now I'm just starting to get back into modeling after a 15+ year absent. I will not be the only person using it, there will be maybe four others that could use this as well. So if anyone can pass along some useful info, pls do.

Thanks
Louis
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    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 10, 2003 5:24 PM
Howdie!~ - so getting back in after 15 years...ME TOO!...after 25 years!...and its the air brushing that really ROCKS!...
but then again...it also is THE AGONY AND THE ECTASY!

Spent last 2 years with an AZTEC...doing Acrylics...(thats the important part...) what paint WILL YOU USE...I THINK...

Acrylics dry FAST super FAST...and...to clean the nozzles on the Aztec...were IMPOSSIBLE!....no matter how many immediate solvents I used...

I just bought a badger single action..350 to start all over...hopefully..it is more robust..and I can clean it MORE ROBUSTLY...
other questions will be Single action - double....and..what kind of models...do you DO?...
But I cannot emphasize enough..be ready to CLEAN CLEAN CLEAN CLEAN...like a mad dog!...
but IT IS WORTH it...absolutely...
so..go to it!..and...air brush on!
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  • From: NE Georgia
Posted by Keyworth on Monday, March 10, 2003 8:07 PM
Like Monteverdi said, choose the paint meduim you plan to work with first. I have and Aztec 470 and I use it for both enamels and acrylics. i always have a paper cup with acrylic solvent near mny sparay booth when I paint so that I can avoid the earlier described disaster of nozzle clogging. I use a Binks Wren A for general work, but the Aztec for fine detail. Just keep everything clean and you'll have a great time. Welcome back to the hobby. I was out about the same amount of time and got back in a couple of years back. My wife's happy because I'm home a lot more, even if it is in the basement with my spray booth , compressor and model dryer all humming along!!! :)
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 10, 2003 9:45 PM
If you do a search in the other forums, there are lots of topics covering airbrush choices. Here's a few thigs to think about
- your air source is likely just as important as the airbrush.
- make sure you have a watertrap
- Badger, Aztec and Paasche are all good quality units
- Single action is generally good for most general modelling needs
- Double action has more control and flexibility if you want to get into doing complex camo and other variable paint spray patterns.
- plan on spending time practicing.

M.
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    December 2002
  • From: Pominville, NY
Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Tuesday, March 11, 2003 9:46 AM
I've used Botch... er...Badgers for years, as well as my trusty 'ole Pasche H model. I was able to net good results from all of these, but I used different brushes for different purposes. The Pasche was a good one for laying in the base coats and for one-color shemes. The Badgers were good for detail work, and I preferred the single action. (Single action brushes have separate controls for paint flow and spray pattern. Double action brushes incorporate both functions into the trigger action.) I wanted to use the double-action Badger I had, but it was rather awkward. Didn't feel right.

Finally, I got-a-Iwata! Tongue [:P] An Iwata Eclipse, to be exact. This is the first double-action brush that has felt comfortable to use. I'm in complete control (unlike the old Botcher) and it performs like a dream. It's easy to maintain and doesn't have a maddening teflon bearing buried inside the body. Iwatas are fairly priced, as well. I got mine at a local Art store. Their price was $99. The whole enchilada (brush, compressor with trap & guage and air line) was around $230. The retail will be more, especially seeing as you're from the Great White North, but it's well worth the investment. Having said all that, which is my opinion and my preference only...

Here's what you may want to do. Do you know anyone who has an airbrush? Ask them if you can take it for a test ride. That's a good way of seeing if a certain brush is for you. I tried all sortsa brushes before I settled on the Iwata. It's also a good excuse just to hang with your modeling buds. Good 'ole Mike (aka Butz) and I have spent many a night in his or my basement tinkering with a kit, painting etc., as well as just shootin' the breeze.

You may wish to look at not only the action type (double or single) but the paint feed type as well.

I've found thru experience and snooping around that sometimes it's not the type of brush that is important. It's the skill of the user. Skill is something that, for most, has to be developed. So the word there is PRACTICE! I got great results with a single action. Some swear that it's impossible to get good results with a single action brush, but I have a few built-ups as proof to the contrary. As far as paint feed, I will never go back to a siphon feed brush. Gravity feed is the way to go, hands down. It's just simple physics at work there. (A siphon feed brush has a cup or bottle that you "plug" into the bottom or side of the body, using the vacuum created by the air traveling thru the brush to suck the paint up or over into the airstream. Gravity feed brushes usually have a cup built into the top of the body and the paint simply flows into the airstream.)

Air supply is an important factor. Compressors are the way to go, if you can afford one. But they're not all that expensive anymore (depending on the type you get, of course!) and they're also much quieter than they used to be. (again, depending on type) You can spray off of a potted air source, like a tank or propellent cans. The propellent is not all that great, and tanks are okay until they empty out, then there's a gradual decrease in air pressure which is uncontrollable and not good when you're in the middle of painting some finely detailed stuff. My advice: go with the compressor.

Remember, there are many variables involved, many of which are determined by one factor. The human factor, ie you! Test different brushes if possible, find one you like, and practice ALOT.

Fade to Black...
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  • From: USA
Posted by cnstrwkr on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:27 PM
I too am getting back after a 10 year hiatus. I have two Paasches a VL and an H. The H is a little easier to use, the VL took a lot of practice and @$$&*(*)(( before I got comfortable with it. Make sure you get a pressure regulater and water trap for the compressor, it will make life easier and welcome back.
Tommy difficult things take time...the impossible, a little longer!
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:52 AM
I've used the Paasche H for 35 years. It's cheap, easy to clean, you can get different head/nozzle combos that are real cheap as well. If you're going to do super fine line detail look to one of those super brushes, but for the money and ease, I like Paasche. Oh yea, replacement parts are real easy to find for this puppy too. Did I say I've had it for 35 years now? No fuss no muss
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  • From: Foothills of Colorado
Posted by Hoser on Thursday, March 13, 2003 12:21 PM
One thing I havent seen mentioned that is a great asset to anyone just starting in airbrushing are how-to books. I would recommend "Dynamic Airbrush" by David Miller and James E. Effler and "Creative Airbrushing" by Graham Duckett. While they are geared toward art on posterboard, etc. they both have info on how an airbrush works, maintenance, techniques and step-by-step projects. Of the two, "Creative Airbrushing" has the more detailed info most helpful to beginners. Both are out of print, but you should be able to snag a copy on eBay.
"Trust no one; even those people you know and trust." - Jack S. Margolis
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 15, 2003 2:26 AM
I wish to thank all of you who responded. I'll let you all know which make and model I will go with, and how it works out.

Thanks again.

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