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HELP! HELP!
Posted by crazypat on Thursday, January 04, 2018 3:45 PM

HELP! HELP! i am making a 1/48 Lancaster bomber and i stupidly glued all the canopies on with super glue and they have gone foggy. i think it is just on the out side of the plastic so i dont know if it is posible to clean it. alternitivly the tamiya kit came with unpainted canopies thit i could use but every time i have tried to paint canopies it has failed misirbly. what is the best thing to do if some one could help me it would be greatly apreashed 

thanks

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Posted by the Baron on Thursday, January 04, 2018 4:01 PM

The fogging is fine etching that occurred when the CA glue cured and gave off fumes.

It's possible to remove the canopy, and then to try to polish it out, sanding and polishing with ever-finer grades of sandpaper and polishing pads, and then dipping the canopy in clear acrylic, but that might be more work than you're willing to apply.  I'd use the spare you have, or look for a new canopy, like a vacuform, if available.

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Posted by armornut on Thursday, January 04, 2018 4:04 PM

Dip the clear parts in Future Floor Polish,( aka Future), that will help keep the glue fog at bay. You can also try simple white, ( Elmers ), glue applied with a toothpick.

     As for painting, I have never had any trouble painting Tamyia canopies however it has been along time since I built an aircraft. I would think that the dip in Future would help here too.

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Posted by ACESES5 on Thursday, January 04, 2018 4:20 PM

As was said before I always coat my clear parts with Pledge then I can use any type glue to cement them in place. As for painting the canopy try SpruBrothers or Scalehobbyist for Eduard paint mask the mask you need comes in both 1/48 and 1/72 it will have all the different pieces you need to do your Lancaster GOOD LUCK              ACESES5           2 cents

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Posted by crazypat on Thursday, January 04, 2018 4:28 PM
thanks everyone for the advice i would prefer to clean it if possible i don't have all the sanding sticks so that would hard to do is there any other thing i can use to clean it. then i will coat them in somthing
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Posted by crazypat on Thursday, January 04, 2018 4:30 PM
does anyone know what if you can get stuff like pledge and future in Australia as i have not seen them
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Posted by crazypat on Thursday, January 04, 2018 4:31 PM
does anyone know what if you can get stuff like pledge and future in Australia as i have not seen them.
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Posted by Les.61 on Thursday, January 04, 2018 5:04 PM

Crazypat, I tried to get Pledge or Future in Australia and could not get it BUT I brought Long Life Self Shining Floor Polish from Bunnings. The Bunnings web site says not to use on Plastic HOWEVER the bottle states and the Pascoe's web site (addlifetoyourfloors.com.au) states Use on linoleum, vinyl, plastic, rubber, sealed wood and sealed cork to give your floors that final finish.. It is about $12 per bottle but is 1 litre so should last for ages (unless you start using it on the floors!!!). The web site also says it is avaliable at Woolworths or IGA but I could not see on Woolworths web site but it is on Bunnings web site.

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Posted by gregbale on Thursday, January 04, 2018 5:08 PM

BEFORE DOING ANY SANDING...

...try cleaning up the 'frosted' areas with denatured alcohol on a cotton swab. Sometimes the haze is just CA fumes that reacted with moisture in the air, and will wipe away fairly easily.

Worth a try. Might save a bunch of time and trouble

Greg

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Posted by crazypat on Thursday, January 04, 2018 6:14 PM

Les.61

Crazypat, I tried to get Pledge or Future in Australia and could not get it BUT I brought Long Life Self Shining Floor Polish from Bunnings. The Bunnings web site says not to use on Plastic HOWEVER the bottle states and the Pascoe's web site (addlifetoyourfloors.com.au) states Use on linoleum, vinyl, plastic, rubber, sealed wood and sealed cork to give your floors that final finish.. It is about $12 per bottle but is 1 litre so should last for ages (unless you start using it on the floors!!!). The web site also says it is avaliable at Woolworths or IGA but I could not see on Woolworths web site but it is on Bunnings web site.

 

thanks les will give it ago dont see many stralians on this foram good to catch up with ya.

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Posted by crazypat on Thursday, January 04, 2018 6:16 PM

gregbale

BEFORE DOING ANY SANDING...

...try cleaning up the 'frosted' areas with denatured alcohol on a cotton swab. Sometimes the haze is just CA fumes that reacted with moisture in the air, and will wipe away fairly easily.

Worth a try. Might save a bunch of time and trouble

 

will try cleaning it is that stuff the same as metho?

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Posted by gregbale on Thursday, January 04, 2018 6:42 PM

crazypat
that stuff the same as metho?

Correct-a-mundo. Methylated spirit.

Greg

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Posted by crazypat on Thursday, January 04, 2018 6:48 PM

gregbale

 

 
crazypat
that stuff the same as metho?

 

Correct-a-mundo. Methylated spirit.

 

thanks

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Thursday, January 04, 2018 7:42 PM

I'm sorry to hear of your mishap.  I have done the same thing, and was unable to fix it.  My solution was to dump the whole thing into the trash can.  I would suggest trying to find a replacement clear canopy, otherwise the trash can is the answer.

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Posted by damouav on Thursday, January 04, 2018 9:28 PM

Les.61

Crazypat, I tried to get Pledge or Future in Australia and could not get it BUT I brought Long Life Self Shining Floor Polish from Bunnings. The Bunnings web site says not to use on Plastic HOWEVER the bottle states and the Pascoe's web site (addlifetoyourfloors.com.au) states Use on linoleum, vinyl, plastic, rubber, sealed wood and sealed cork to give your floors that final finish.. It is about $12 per bottle but is 1 litre so should last for ages (unless you start using it on the floors!!!). The web site also says it is avaliable at Woolworths or IGA but I could not see on Woolworths web site but it is on Bunnings web site.

 

Dont bother with the Long Life floor cleaner.

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, January 04, 2018 9:38 PM

Nope, they are toast, vegemite added.

You could certainly find some new ones. If you'd Pledge on first, it would have worked.

But it's tough, I've had canopies fog when I glued in the tail wheel.

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Posted by crazypat on Thursday, January 04, 2018 11:26 PM
thanks everyone for your help i will try everything cause it couldn't look any worse anyhow thanks again
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Posted by crazypat on Thursday, January 04, 2018 11:55 PM

thanks greg cleaned the canopy with metho came out just like new ataching it with pva wite glue and is all good thanks

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Posted by gregbale on Friday, January 05, 2018 7:59 AM

crazypat

thanks greg cleaned the canopy with metho came out just like new ataching it with pva wite glue and is all good thanks

Glad to hear it!

Just remember...we want photos when it's done. Big Smile

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Friday, January 05, 2018 9:03 AM

I have started using that UV hardening glue, that comes with a laser (probably actually a very blue LED). It works great!  It does not fog transparent plastic and is far stronger than the white glue based canopy cements.

I was a little apprehensive about the cost, but I have probably used it on a dozen kits, and just now replaced it.  Worth it!

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by gregbale on Friday, January 05, 2018 10:19 AM

I am enthusiastically with Don as to the UV-cure resin "5-Second Fix" type adhesives. A bit pricey 'off the shelf' (though there are good deals to be found you-know-where, if you don't mind shipping from China), it's one of the few "as seen on TV" products that actually seems to work as advertised.

A godsend for clear parts---easy to wipe away excess, before you hit it with the UV light, and dries hard and crystal-clear, with actual strength that the PVA-type glues don't have. Can even be sanded, if need be, with about the same hardness as styrene, and fine-sanded/polished/buffed out to restore clarity if required.

Great stuff! (And credit where it's due, I was actually put onto it originally by one of Mr. Stauffer's earlier posts!)

Greg

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Posted by the Baron on Friday, January 05, 2018 11:50 AM

You diggers should come with subtitles.  Is "metho" methyl alcohol, aka methanol?  And did applying it to the fogged parts actually restore them to a clear state?

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Posted by the Baron on Friday, January 05, 2018 11:55 AM

Don Stauffer

I have started using that UV hardening glue, that comes with a laser (probably actually a very blue LED). It works great!  It does not fog transparent plastic and is far stronger than the white glue based canopy cements.

I was a little apprehensive about the cost, but I have probably used it on a dozen kits, and just now replaced it.  Worth it!

I think that's similar to the UV-curing resins used in dentistry.

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, January 05, 2018 12:34 PM

the Baron

 

 
Don Stauffer

I have started using that UV hardening glue, that comes with a laser (probably actually a very blue LED). It works great!  It does not fog transparent plastic and is far stronger than the white glue based canopy cements.

I was a little apprehensive about the cost, but I have probably used it on a dozen kits, and just now replaced it.  Worth it!

 

 

I think that's similar to the UV-curing resins used in dentistry.

 

And in manicures, I'm told by the expert.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, January 05, 2018 12:35 PM

the Baron

You diggers should come with subtitles.  Is "metho" methyl alcohol, aka methanol?  And did applying it to the fogged parts actually restore them to a clear state?

 

If it did, it couldn't have been CA fogging to begin with.

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Posted by crazypat on Friday, January 05, 2018 4:20 PM

the Baron

You diggers should come with subtitles.  Is "metho" methyl alcohol, aka methanol?  And did applying it to the fogged parts actually restore them to a clear state?

 

sorry about the absance of subtitles, but it is about time you learnt some true blue Aussie slangBig SmilePropeller. yes i did use methylated spirits 99% pure ethanal and after a fair bit of elbo grease with a cotten bud diped in the stuff it came off. and you can see straight through them like factory. also those who sejested the UV glue i will look into it.

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Posted by crazypat on Saturday, January 06, 2018 1:32 AM

for those of you that wanted photos they are under the Lancaster section on the blog on my website https://collinsp19.wixsite.com/thehobbymodelingguy.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Saturday, January 06, 2018 10:14 AM

gregbale

I am enthusiastically with Don as to the UV-cure resin "5-Second Fix" type adhesives. A bit pricey 'off the shelf' (though there are good deals to be found you-know-where, if you don't mind shipping from China), it's one of the few "as seen on TV" products that actually seems to work as advertised.

 

I picked up mine from my local building supply/hardware store (Menards).  It was ten bucks, but used it for all clear parts in about a dozen models, so I don't think it was that expensive (10 bucks).

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Silver on Monday, January 08, 2018 3:56 PM

Great move.

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