Best Way to Fix Pigments?

modelmaker66

 Baron, don't tell how I should post my responses! Who are you the forum police? Mind you self. I'm sick and tired of you antagonizing everything I say here. I can post what and when I want and you have no authority over me. I don't know what I did to you or what aggravates you about me but I don't need you trying to ruin my experience or run me off. Won't happen. 

Nope, not the forum police, and I never thought for a moment that I have authority over you.  Only offering that suggestion because it would have made your response clearer, that you were talking about something you read, not something you experienced yourself.

To the OP, I would buy new Ammo pigment fixer and apply it to a liberal amount of pigment but letting it soak the pigment through capillary action. There are a niumber of decent youtubes on that. Then rub off the excess. I have never done that but it looks reasonable. Stay tuned.

66 that quote is helpful. I think the view is that with a number of high quality pigmwents on the market, you can remove pigment quality as a parameter. I'll give you points there. I do need to buy better quality pigments as I have the perfect project coming up- Revell's 1/144 Flower Class corvette.

Chapter3 , page 32  2nd paragraph:

"I have used the ones from Mig productions for most of my career, times have changed and they are now sold under 502 abtielung from AK, and Vallejo, Wilder, Ammo and Lifecolor all make pigments as well..........To be fair the other products on the market work in the same basic manner and share the same basic results, so we have a lot of high quality options to source from."

modelmaker66

 

 

GMorrison

I'm still curious to know why the now cited reference thinks all powders are the same.

And lay off Brad. He simply pointed out that when I questioned what seemed to be a declarative statement on your part, you hadn't cited your source. Not that it matters, if in fact the book says all powders are the same I still disagree.

 

Bill

 

 

 

 

Then go buy the book and prove me wrong.

 

 

Pigment is pigment. If you want good adhesion, you apply to a rough flat coat and if you want better adhesion you have to grind them in, not sprinkle like salt. For permanence you have to use fixer, or they may rub off or  fall off. That is the nature of ALL pigments and there are no exceptions.

GMorrison

I'm still curious to know why the now cited reference thinks all powders are the same.

And lay off Brad. He simply pointed out that when I questioned what seemed to be a declarative statement on your part, you hadn't cited your source. Not that it matters, if in fact the book says all powders are the same I still disagree.

 

Bill

 

I'm still curious to know why the now cited reference thinks all powders are the same.

And lay off Brad. He simply pointed out that when I questioned what seemed to be a declarative statement on your part, you hadn't cited your source. Not that it matters, if in fact the book says all powders are the same I still disagree.

Bill

 Baron, don't tell how I should post my responses! Who are you the forum police? Mind you self. I'm sick and tired of you antagonizing everything I say here. I can post what and when I want and you have no authority over me. I don't know what I did to you or what aggravates you about me but I don't need you trying to ruin my experience or run me off. Won't happen.

modelmaker66

GMorrison

 

"I disagree with everything stated above. I've had both good and bad products. Some go right on and can be carefully handled. Others won't stick at all and fall off." 

My comment was taken verbatum from Micael Rinaldi Tankart 3 revised 2nd printing this year.  

You should have included that citation, then.  The way you posted your comment suggested that it's your own experience.  If you happen to have had that experience, you might want to clarify that you have.

Really, he says all pigments are the same? That's not been my experience, but oh well.

[quote user="GMorrison"] 

"I disagree with everything stated above. I've had both good and bad products. Some go right on and can be carefully handled. Others won't stick at all and fall off."

My comment was taken verbatum from Micael Rinaldi Tankart 3 revised 2nd printing this year. 

Otto von Lindberg

...Can I spray a layer of Testor's Dull Cote (spray can) in order to "fix" the pigments and otherwise finish my model?... 

My answer is a qualified "yes".

As others have noted, applying a seal coat over pigments will change the way they look.

I use DullCote, too, and when I use weathering powders (ground pastel chalks, in my case.  I refuse to pay Mig or his former partners for something I can make myself) I account for the change in intensity that the seal coat causes.  I'll apply the color till it looks too intense, for example, knowing that the seat coat will knock the effect back.

However, I will also apply weathering powders after using DullCote to seal painted effects, knowing that, although there's nothing binding the powder to the surface, I also know that as long as the model won't be handled, nothing is going to rub the powder away.

Hope that helps!

Best regards,

Brad

here is one of the tanks that I used a pingment binder

I find that using a "Fixative", an artist product sprayed through my AB works well as it won't ruin the look if you go light. And it helps hold the pruduct on so you can dust it later and not worry about knocking anything off. These are all good techniques, to each his own. It boils down to what you prefer.

BK

modelmaker66

Interesting. Those are two Vallejo products I've not tried. I wondered if their pigments might be some of the good ones.

 

Really, all pigments are tha same now. There is no better, they are aeven ans excellent. you can use tamiya x-20a thinner to set pigments. Use sparingly. you can also use enamel thinner also used sparingly.

 

Fixing pigment with a pray coating makes the model itself darker and minimizes the effect of the dusty look. I've seen good results with the Ammo pigment fixer when applied with a dropper around the edges of the pigment and allowed to flow into it by capillary action, then rubbed.

Everyone can have their own opinion, but the question was asked and the answers matter.

Bill

Interesting. Those are two Vallejo products I've not tried. I wondered if their pigments might be some of the good ones.

Really, all pigments are tha same now. There is no better, they are aeven ans excellent. you can use tamiya x-20a thinner to set pigments. Use sparingly. you can also use enamel thinner also used sparingly.

These are REALLY good pigments.

https://www.bragdonent.com/weather.htm

Bill

crown r n7

when I use vallejo pigments on my tanks, I seal them with pigment binder by vallejo though my air brush. it reminds me of a super thin elmers glue works very well.

 

Interesting. Those are two Vallejo products I've not tried. I wondered if their pigments might be some of the good ones.

when I use vallejo pigments on my tanks, I seal them with pigment binder by vallejo though my air brush. it reminds me of a super thin elmers glue works very well.

Don Stauffer

If it is good, properly ground pigment it will not need to be sealed.  It is so fine it will settle into tiny imperfections in even gloss finishes.  Only strong soap and water or solvent will take it off.

That sounds good to me. What pigments behave as you say, Don?

I guess I've never tried a true pigment product, just sanded colored chalk back in the old days which I quickly abandoned for reasons mentioned above when trying to seal or fix it. Man, that was a long time ago.

If it is good, properly ground pigment it will not need to be sealed.  It is so fine it will settle into tiny imperfections in even gloss finishes.  Only strong soap and water or solvent will take it off.

For a heavy built up look i mix the pigments in water and then apply that way, once dry i brush off excess. After that i will brush on some lose pigments and leave at that.