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Doing the wash..HELP!!!!

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Doing the wash..HELP!!!!
Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 9, 2003 12:01 AM
24 hours ago I laid down the base coat light desert tan on an armor kit.
About an hour ago I laid on the wash consisting of burnt umber oil paint.
As I went to remove the excess wash(it looked dry) with a swab dipped in thinner it began to remove the base coat of paint.

I think that part of my problem is that I did not let the base coat dry long enough.
I also think that I tried to remove the wash to soon.

So where do I go from here?
Will leaving the wash on anouther day or two make it imposable to remove later?

I could try to dry brush over the excess paint but that will be a challange.

I could try to air brush over the excess but that will be my last resort.

What do you guys think.
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Posted by shermanfreak on Monday, June 9, 2003 12:10 AM
Rough time James.
It is always better to seal the base coat with dull-cote before placing your wash on. This will prevent what happened.
As far as repair, you may have no choice but to re-paint the areas.
Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 9, 2003 2:30 PM
There are some things you should take into account:

Before applying the wash, make sure you have a gloss surface, there are many ways to obtain this: gloss coat, future, clear top coat gloss... Never wash on a flat surface! (here I dissagree with the post above) the dull coat finish will be instantly stained by the wash and you won´t be able to clean it.

Use different paints for top coat and wash. This is to avoid reaction (dilution). If you used light desert tan enamel you should use oil paints or acrylics for the wash. Use of course the appropriate thinner to remove the wash excess.

If for any reason you want to use both top coat and wash color enamel or acrylics then seal the top coat with future (maybe two hands). If you're using both acrylics don't clean the wash excess with acrylics thinner (it will dissolve the future and ruin your base color too), use water instead.

I use both enamels and acrylics for top coat and only acrylcs for washing using the sludge wash technique.

Good Luck
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  • From: Sunny Florida
Posted by renarts on Monday, June 9, 2003 6:19 PM
James,

Sounds like the thinner in the wash bit the base coat. Was it enamel? I use acrylics for the bas and then oils or thinned acrylics for the wash. This was there is no reaction of the thinner with the base.

Either wait an inordinate amount of time for the paint to dry and cure before doing your wash.

Or switch wash recipies and use a thinned out(water) acrylic over the enamel.

Or do the Future trick and then apply the wash, then Dull Coat that. Any sheen remaining can be knocked down with the dry brushing and pastels. While it won't knock it all down it will take care of some of it.

Mike
Mike "Imagination is the dye that colors our lives" Marcus Aurellius A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 9, 2003 10:57 PM
Thanks for the help fellas.

Their are such things as happy accidents that occur some times.

I started dry brushing over the wash where it ran out of the corners and on to the panels.
Now it looks heavly worn in service.

I think if I dry brush a little more in the fine areas,lay on the dullcote and pastels and place some stoage statigicly over the really botched spots,it just might be o.k.
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Posted by shermanfreak on Monday, June 9, 2003 11:22 PM
Making a silk purse out of a sow's ear. At a go James.
Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert
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  • From: NE Georgia
Posted by Keyworth on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:52 PM
Bill Mauldin used to say he learned how to make a cartoon out of a mistake. His advice was to never correct a mistake, but to make something productive out of it. Sounds like you found a solution. Good for you! - Ed
"There's no problem that can't be solved with a suitable application of high explosives"
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:01 PM
Yahooo...I'm not the only one!Tongue [:P]
Base-coated (enamel) my BMP-2 and put the wash (acrylic) on.Smile [:)]
Realized I hadn't gloss coated after the base coatBlack Eye [B)]
Now I am gonna try James' methodBig Smile [:D]
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Posted by shermanfreak on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:16 PM
Hmmm.... seems to be a pattern here.

I think I'm going to continue to avoid using a wash.
Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert
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