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Salt weathered JU-88, including pics and how-to

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Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 3:13 AM
Thanks for the great tip, mike.

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Posted by MonsterZero on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:08 PM
Mmmm...salty [licking my lips]
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Posted by nsclcctl on Monday, August 18, 2003 12:01 PM
Now, how bout passin da peppa!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 18, 2003 4:13 AM
Grsycat, no, just don´t use too much water. otherwise the salt will dissolve. Future comes after you´ve removed the salt and are completely done painting. I was demonstrating the levels of adhesion between the two kinds of paint, gloss and flat.

Dubix88: All the same plane..

All: Thanks for the compliments!
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Posted by gregers on Sunday, August 17, 2003 9:40 AM
Hey Michealvk. thanks for sharing, i'm going to have to try that cos it looks far easier than trying to chip away the paint with the tip of a scalpel( the method that i have used before).cheers ...Greg
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 16, 2003 10:17 PM
Looks good ! I do a lot of Japanese aircraft, so I'm gonna have to learn this ! Thanks for the info !
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Posted by dubix88 on Saturday, August 16, 2003 9:29 PM
HEY,
great job, except on pic #4, it looks like it could use a little more weathering around the engines. Are all of those the same plane? If it is i retract my previouse statement. Great job either way.

Randy
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 16, 2003 8:58 PM
so if i want to try this, should I apply a coat of future or something of it's like prior to laying the salt down?
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Difference in damp, too wet, flat and glossy
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 5:27 AM
I found that the salt stuck pretty hard in places and needed a good scrub, rub and scrape to get it off (I still have some stuck in an engine inlet, and I´m tempted to just leave it there).. Don´t over-wet the salt, as it will dissolve and glue itself to the paint, making it very hard to remove. Most metallic paints (or any flat undercoat) are microscopically ´lumpy´, hence why they don´t reflect and also don´t like transfers (silvering is basically the transfer lying on the tops of tiny paint mountains). This increases the area where the liquified salt can seep into and get a really good grip. Its the same thing that happens in the aircraft industry when aluminium is anodized or etched before bonding.
As for panel lines, well, maybe use a toothpick or something similar. Its pretty easy to score the undercoat, so careful as you go. Again, don´t over wet the salt, as it will dissolve and creep into the lines just like a wash.

I´ve added a couple of pictures. One is based on a flat paint surface, the other on a gloss paint surface. The flat paint picture schetchingly shows the difference in contact area´s between too wet salt, damp salt and a decal. I´ve marked the contact area´s (surface bonds) with a red line. As I said above, if salt is too wet, it will dissolve and creep into the paint and surface detail. When it dries, it forms a rock (salt is a mineral, after all..) surface that needs serious chiselling to remove, because it is seriously set in place.. Looser salt lies on the surface, instead of in it. Where the small contact patches are bad for a decal, it is good for salt, because you want it to come off. The salt is easily removed, because the bonded area is much, much smaller.

Flat paint


Gloss paint


Remember: You only need enough moisture to hold the salt loosely in place.
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Posted by Awasoda on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 4:30 PM
Any one know how to fix that salt problem
IF you can't beat them then they are not tied down properly
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 12:17 PM
Were you able to come up with a good method for removing the salt? It sounds like that was a bit of a problem.
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Posted by Awasoda on Monday, August 11, 2003 3:58 PM
When i treid it i had a problem of getting all the salf off because it fell into panel lines. Any ideas?
IF you can't beat them then they are not tied down properly
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 11, 2003 1:43 PM
Looks good, must try that technique myself1
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Posted by shermanfreak on Sunday, August 10, 2003 6:22 PM
Thanks for sharing this technique with us Michael and the very good description of how you did it. This will help a few of us out here if we want to try this technique.

From the looks of your Ju., this could be a most interesting technique to try.

Thanks again !
Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert
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Salt weathered JU-88, including pics and how-to
Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 10, 2003 4:10 PM
Well, so far so, eh, good I suppose. Here are the pics of my JU-88 with a salt weathering applied to it. Its somewhat OTT (I'm practising). My apologies for the pic quality, its my webcam thats to blame.

Basic info: The plane is a 1:72 Ju-88 A by Revell. The kit is a horrendous fit and severely underdetailed. The side of the box blaitantly lies about the alleged detailed cockpit.
All paints were enamel. The undercoat is a Humbrol flat aluminium, the camo is Revell enamel for the green and grey, whilst the underside is some blue-ish grey enamel I found lurking around in my paint box. I used normal kitchen salt for the paint weathering, and a burnt umber oil thinned with mineral spirits for a wash. The aircraft was coated in revell clear gloss after chipping the salt off prior to decalling. After the wash was applied the AC was coated in revell clear flat. The exhaust trails are powdered charcoal applied with a brush.

This is how I did it:

Step 1: I assembled the aircraft deviating somewhat from the instructions so I could paint the AC in one piece, kind of like with an armor kit. When I was satisfied with the assembly, I (brush) painted is a flat aluminium colour. I used a brush out of sheer laziness. I chose this model as a testbed, so took a few neatness liberties. Airbrushing would have been the preferred method.

Step 2: When the paint was dry, I sat down with a tub of salt and a small bowl with water. I dampened the parts of the aircraft I wanted weathered. These were (as you can see in the pics below) wing roots, leading edges, control surfaces and just general splotchiness. note: I didn't research properly where this weathering would have occurred, so don't take my weathering patterns as some sort of template. it is inaccurate!
On these damp spots I added the salt granules. I used a brush tor this. When the salt was on the AC I found I could arrange them to a certain degree by pushing them around with the brush. Obviously where I wanted more weathering I used more salt. The salt dried pretty quickly and pretty solidly. The salt will now act as a mask for the aluminium parts I want to be poking through the paint.

Step 3. I applied the first coats of paint. I started with the underside. This was a blue-grey enamel applied by airbrush. I thinned it with mineral spirits to a milky-ish consistancy. I applied it in light coats. Because I did this outside on a hot, dry day, the paint dried almost immediatly.
You could deviate from this step by applying a coat of paint similar in colour to a primer coat of yellow/green. Then add more salt on top of already salted areas, so you get the impression of paint weathering through to primer through to bare metal.
After this was dry, I used tape and post-it's to mask the underside for the grey-green light shade of camoflage. Then followed the masking for the second camo colour. I found that masking a straight line on a compound curved surface with salt added to it proved a tricky job, but it resulted in a very satisfying result.

Step4. Finally when all the paint was dry, I went to work with rubbing the salt off. The salt's natural edges make for a realistic edge on paint wear. Its edges are superiour in effect compared with more traditional after effect use of brushes, which tends to be rounder and seem to protrude. This is obviously because its painted on top of the paint scheme. Salt weathering simulates the way paint would flake off naturally.
I found that using a cloth didn't work all that well, but that could be attributed to the type of cloth I was using (old bit of jeans.. Don't use it). The salt is pretty jagged, which means it can pull tufts of cloth out. Something to be aware of before applying some gloss afterwards. I ended up using my fingernails and a stiff brush. My fingernails dug into and scratched the undercoat here and there, leaving a dark green (colour of the plastic underneath) scratch along the surface. try and remember where you put all the salt, otherwise you'll end up with some surprise rivets here and there.

Thats all there is to it, basically. From here on its the usual gloss-decal-weather-flat treatment.
















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