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Stupid Question Needing Stupid Answer
Posted by Ranger_Chris61 on Wednesday, October 8, 2008 12:16 AM
Ok I recently bought jar of Mr. Color paint, now I am almost certain that it is lacquer based, but the bottle says that it is "solvent based acrylic." Now is this just a fancy way of say lacquer or is it really acrylic? Also can I use just normal laqure thiner for airbrushing with it, or do i really need to use the mr.color thiner?
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Posted by Phil_H on Wednesday, October 8, 2008 12:36 AM

Hi Chris,

I've not used "Mr Color", but my understanding is that they are lacquer based acrylics. I believe that they can be thinned with "normal" hardware store variety lacquer thinners, but I have read that the "Mr Color" thinner is less aggressive to styrene and less apt to melt your model.

I think the confusion comes in when they use the word "acrylic" because most modellers tend to associate acrylic with water based when that is not always the case.

"Acrylic" in its true sense means that the paint cures by polymerisation of an acrylic binder (methyl methacrylate?). It's this which defines a paint as being acrylic, not the carrier medium. (I'm sure Ross can chime in with a more precise explanation here.)

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Posted by Triarius on Wednesday, October 8, 2008 10:30 AM

Laugh [(-D] Ding!

Yes, there are acrylics that are not water, or even alcohol soluble. Phil mentioned methyl methacrylate, which is one of many, and more are being developed on a nearly daily basis.

I haven't used the paints in question, so I'm not familiar with the system. Since acrylics polymerize and therefore cure, it is unlikely that they are true lacquers—but organic chemists, particularly those who deal with coatings, are ingenious and inventive critturs. I can certainly see that an acrylic that behaves in some ways like a lacquer might be possible.

However, solvent compatibility in this case is particularly problematic because "lacquer thinner"  is not a specific composition. Some of them are mostly alcohol, others contain substantial amount of much more aggressive hydrocarbons.

The best thing to do when not using the proprietary thinner is to test the compatibility. Make a mixture of the paint in question with the solvent in question, half of each. Store this in a tightly sealed glass bottle (as close to the volume of test solution as possible) overnight. If the stuff looks all right the next day, apply it to a clean styrene surface. Allow to cure overnight. If adhesion, finish, and color are as they should be, then the combination is at least marginally compatible. Full compatibility is indicated by stability over a period of not less than thirty days. I doubt anybody wants to wait that long. 

Ross Martinek A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing… Wink

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Posted by Ranger_Chris61 on Wednesday, October 8, 2008 12:02 PM
OK I tried using some of my lacquer thiner, or more precisely when i tried to clean the eye droper i use, it made the paint that was on it become almost jelly like. So i tried using some tamyia thiner on the pain that i had drawn and it worked just fine.
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