HELP with water based acrylics please

Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

HELP with water based acrylics please

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:22 AM

Help im really needing help with water based paints (namely gunze sangyo and tamiya). After being out of modeling for a lot years (since i was a teen), I've been trying to get back into modeling the last couple of years but i get constantly frustrated with the new water based paints (when i was a kid there was basically only oils around).
The problem im having is when im giving a second or later based coat (by brush no airbrush yet Sad [:(]

but its also aplicable to finer non-airbrushable area like the cockpit) it often strips the earlier coats of paint. I have tried washing/ not washing the model first, under coating, and thats the joys on plastics, I was given some lord of the rings wargame figures and I've tried using the paints on them - both bare or with a flat white oil based uindercoat) and on these the paint just goes gluggy and seperates from its suspension fluid

Any help would be appriciated

Konigwolf

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:53 AM

hey wolf, I know exactly what you mean. I only use acrylics as well. Ive tried and tried to brush on Tamiya paints. Ive tried thinning them as well. Nothing see,s to work. Tamiyas are awesome in the airbrush. But I had to find something else to use for brushing on. The Model Master acrylics work just perfect for that. Sorry I couldnt be of more help.

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Keyworth

Member since
January 2003
From: NE Georgia

Posted by Keyworth on Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:56 AM

Tamiya does seem to be problematic in that area. Banged Head [banghead]

I use MM for handbrushing as a result. No problems thus far. Bow [bow]

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dubix88

Member since
March 2003
From: Maine,USA

Posted by dubix88 on Saturday, November 22, 2003 3:55 PM

HEY,
I use Model Master and Testors, whichever i can find. I have not had any problems with either of them.

Randy

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berny13

Member since
February 2003
From: Panama City, Florida, Hurricane Alley

Posted by berny13 on Saturday, November 22, 2003 5:08 PM

Put a drop or two of dish washing liquid in the paint. Stir up, don't shake, and apply without thinning the paint. Let it fully cure before applying a second coat. Cool temperature and high humidity also effect the cure time. It is best to allow to cure in a warm dry room.

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erush

Member since
May 2003
From: USA, GA

Posted by erush on Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:56 PM

Konigwolf I would also recommend Vellejo acrylics for brush painting. They are the best I've ever used with a brush! No contest.

Eric

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South Aussie

Member since
August 2003
From: South Australia

Posted by South Aussie on Sunday, November 23, 2003 12:37 AM

Konigwolf;

I have also found Tamyia Acrylics very hard to brush on but have found out( over many years of Banged Head [banghead]

) that if you apply them in a series of thin coats and wait at least 48 to 72 hours Zzz [zzz]

between coats that you can get a reasonable finish. I have not had much to do with gunze sangyo acrylis so I won't make any comments on them.

QUOTE: Originally posted by erush

Konigwolf I would also recommend Vellejo acrylics for brush painting. They are the best I've ever used with a brush! No contest.

Eric

I have been experimenting with Vellejo acrylics over the last couple of months and now have decided to use them only when hand brushing with acrylics.

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David Voss

Member since
December 2002
From: Waukesha, WI

Posted by David Voss on Sunday, November 23, 2003 2:40 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Konigwolf
I have tried washing/ not washing the model first, under coating, and thats the joys on plastics, I was given some lord of the rings wargame figures and I've tried using the paints on them - both bare or with a flat white oil based uindercoat) and on these the paint just goes gluggy and seperates from its suspension fluid

I'm no expert, but that doesn't sound good. Blush [:I]

For figures all I've used to this point are the Citadel paints (although I would like to try Vallejo paints). A couple of weeks ago, I primed some figures by hand using both Citadel's Smelly Primer and Skull White. Because the paint I was using was old and went bad, I switched to Tamiya for a couple of figures. While it appears to have went on okay, I haven't gotten around to painting the figures I basecoated with Tamiya. While it is possible to do the basecoat by hand, I would recommend using the Citadel Undercoat (spray can) for undercoating the figures. It not only saves time, but also goes on very well.

For painting the Lord of the Rings figures, you might be interested in the following link if you haven't already visited.
http://us.games-workshop.com/games/lotr/sbg/hobby/painting/painting.htm

Best of luck with the new figures. Smile [:)]

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 24, 2003 4:32 AM

Thanks for the help, the drop or two of dishwashing detergent was right on the mark, thanks heaps Smile [:)]

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