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  • Member since
    September 2008
  • From: Minneapolis MN
Posted by BigSmitty on Friday, November 14, 2008 10:48 AM
 Triarius wrote:

B,

Always add retarders to your reducing solvent, never to paint or even the paint-solvent mix. Retarders act chemically on the binding polymer of the paint and are very concentrated, which is why they are added in such tiny amounts.

BTW: If you want to test a 70% isopropyl alcohol as a paint reducer, make it yourself by diluting 90% alcohol with distilled water. The stuff you buy as "rubbing alcohol" is almost always made that way, but with tap water, which may contain all sorts of things that are bad for some paints. 

So add the retarding agent to the thinner of choice, then add THAT mix to the paint?  That's some good info.  Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

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  • Member since
    February 2008
  • From: Van Alstyne, Tx.
Posted by bspeed on Friday, November 14, 2008 10:16 AM
Thanks, good info.
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  • From: Peoples Socialist Democratic Republic of Illinois
Posted by Triarius on Friday, November 14, 2008 9:36 AM

B,

Always add retarders to your reducing solvent, never to paint or even the paint-solvent mix. Retarders act chemically on the binding polymer of the paint and are very concentrated, which is why they are added in such tiny amounts.

BTW: If you want to test a 70% isopropyl alcohol as a paint reducer, make it yourself by diluting 90% alcohol with distilled water. The stuff you buy as "rubbing alcohol" is almost always made that way, but with tap water, which may contain all sorts of things that are bad for some paints. 

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  • Member since
    February 2008
  • From: Van Alstyne, Tx.
Paint test results
Posted by bspeed on Friday, November 14, 2008 12:15 AM

Ok, so take this any way you want..

it is not a higly controlled test, just something I needed to do for myself. If it helps others, great, if you have different experiences thats good too :)

Paints tested:

MM Acrylic, Tamiya, Gunze Aqueous and Mr. Color.

AB: Paasch H 

paints applied to:

.04 evergreen sheet styrene, a full sheet.

The Styrene sheet was:

Primed one-half width, full lenght with Tamiya Primer

Primed the other Half width, full lenght with approx 50% thinned Mr. Surfacer 1200, the laquer thinner from H-Depot.

Primer Surfaces were also wet sanded with 1,000 and 2,000 grit Abralon Pads and cleaned well

overlapping both sections but leaving bare primed area on the edges, Alclad II Dark Aluminum was applied.

AB was operated at approx 20 psi, if a paint seemed thin it was reduced. readings are static at guage

my empirical opinion results: 

MM thinned with 70% alcohol.  "ok" a little thin. somewhat splattery. reduced air pressure 

MM thinned with Windshield Washer Fluid. : Awful. puddled, textured. reduced Air pressure a LOT, it got a little better. not acceptable.                                                 

MM thinned with 70% alcohol and several large drops of Winsor Newton Retarder: Best of the MM tests. surface still textured compared to other paints. Used less Alcohol, air pressure back to 16-20. (at guage, static)

Gunze Aqueos, 70% alcohol, WN Retarder. quite nice, even coverage.

Tamiya 70% alcohol, WN Retarder. quite nice, even coverage surface just slighty more dry looking than Gunze. the Tamiay may have dried more on the way to the surface, but all of the spraying was approx 1-1/2 to 2" away.

Mr. Color, thinned approx 50% with Mr Leveling thinner. VERY NICE. best overall.

None of the Paints had any bad reaction to the Alclad. I guess thats expected.

the MM was the only paint with settled clumpy pigments that must be stirred very very well, though I recall a Gunze that had some settled pigments but not much at all.

BTW, Something else I have noticed in the Past, is that Liquitex slo-dri, and Tamiya paint, well it does not seem to mix 100%, there seems to always be a "swirl" of white in the Paint after adding a drop or two.  The WN retarder is noticably different in Viscosity and more neutral in color.

I guess I should also explain that later I intend to see how "oil filters" behave on the these paints, how they react to  that flitz stuff, and how well Future settles on the paints.

just thought I would share, I know we all get "different mileage" form these kind of things. Lots of variables involved!!!

Best Regards,

....B

 

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