A couple of questions...concerning various airbrush types

Anonymous

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A couple of questions...concerning various airbrush types

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 1:54 AM

Ok Currently I have the Paasche VL set I bought it 8 yrs ago and have only used it a limited number of times...My compressor crapped out before I returned to the hobby a few months ago....

The few times I did use it I loved it...took some playing with to learn what it would and wouldnt do with the various needles/nozzles....but doesnt every airbrush? On to the point....

I want to get serious about airbrushing, the only downfall I have with the VL is the siphon feed and the size of the cups....A lot of cleaning and mixing seems to take place if I want to shoot one part Silver then switch over and shoot something else flat black...
1) Do they make a smaller size cup/bottle for the VL than the small one I have which is a 1 oz. ?

I have been considering picking up a second airbrush....possibly even passing this one on or using it solely for covering large areas...I have been looking at the Badger 360 Universal and seem to like it as its both a gravity/siphon feed....
1) Is there any down fall to having a dual function airbrush?
2)What do you think of this airbrush?
3)Should I nix the idea of going with a dual function airbrush and get one that soley gravity feed?

Last 2 for now....
1)How do you clean a gravity feed since the cup isnt removeable or is it on the 360?
2) If you dont think I should go with the 360...which one then? Please dont even waste your time typing Iwata Im not going to spend that amount of many for an airbrush that isnt making me any money LOL...

Again Thanks for any help,ideas or suggestions you can offer. Im sorry it this is so long.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 7:58 AM

I hate to do this to you but an Iwata is only 80-90 at dixie-art or bear air and it's worth it. I have a Pasche VL and I hated it. My Iwata is so much easier to clean and so much easier to use and the results are far better. I was satisfied the FIRST time I used it. I gave the Pasche away. My Badger 100 LG is better than pasche but still not as easy to use or clean as the Iwata. If you're worried about price, it's definitely worth the extra $15-$20. I've tried a lot of airbrushes and all the money I wasted on brushes that didn't say Iwata on them annoys me. As for cleaning Gravity feed, It's easier than siphon. I've owned Pasche H, VL, Badger 350, 100LG, Sotar 20/20, Aztek and Iwata HP-CS. I have not tried any Chandler and Thayer or the newer Badgers so I can't speak for them but the are very well regarded and my guess is that they'd stand up well against an Iwata. I do know that I'll never need to buy another airbrush. If I seem adamant, it's just that I hesitated buying the Iwata and wasted money on others. If I bought the Iwata first, I would have a lot more money and I'd be happier. Rant done. Sorry.

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MikeV

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April 2003
From: Hayward, CA

Posted by MikeV on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 10:13 AM

Chris,

Plum1030 pretty much covered all the bases for you with his great answers, but I thought I would add a bit.
You can buy the 1/4 oz metal color cup for that VL as shown in this picture:

Regarding the other airbrushes you mentioned, if you really want another one and don't want an Iwata then I would consider the Thayer & Chandler Omni series gravity feed such as the Omni 4000 and 5000. They run about $70 by the way.
You could use the gravity feed for most of the work and if you ever had the need for more paint in the color cup then you could get out the Paasche VL with the 1 oz. or 3oz. glass jar on it.
If you like the idea of the double-duty airbrushes that you mentioned, than either the Omni Matrix or the Badger 360 would do fine.

Mike

“Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 11:03 AM

Just as an extra... I used to have to psych myself up to airbrush, now with the Iwata I don't hesitate to load it to spray as little as a square centimeter.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 1:16 PM

Chris, you're going through a similar thing as myself. I too own a VL and feel appreciate it. However, I wanted to do more 'small' jobs and I was therefore drawn to look at some gravity feed brushes. I ended up getting a Badger 100G on ebay for very low $ and I now use it a lot. I can put a few drops into the cup and spray away. Flush with laq thinner and it's ready for the next color (I clean it thoroughly before putting it away for the day). I still use the VL, but usually it's more for larger paint jobs where I like to have the paint capacity. I also have a better feel for the 'finish' I can get from the VL, since I'm still learning with the Badger. But, the gravity feed unit does seem like the right tool for multiple color changes and small jobs.

One thing I'd like to do is get some really small 'eye drops' bottles that I can pre-mix some basic paint colors in. That way, I could have the colors ready-thinned and just put a little bit into the cup at a time.

Murray

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MikeV

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April 2003
From: Hayward, CA

Posted by MikeV on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 1:30 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by plum1030

Just as an extra... I used to have to psych myself up to airbrush, now with the Iwata I don't hesitate to load it to spray as little as a square centimeter.

Plum1030,

Are you trying to get noticed by Iwata for a sponsorship? Wink [;)]

Mike

“Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 1:38 PM

Thanks for all the replies guys. I'll be sure to let everyone know what I went with might be a ways off though Im not looking at picking up another airbrush for at least 3-6 months from now but I wanted to hear all my options so I could start making the decision.
Plum no problems on recomending an Iwata...I just didnt want someone to hop on here and recommend some outrageously priced top of the line Iwata like I have seen done in other topics...As far as the VL goes sorry you didnt care for yours. I love mine with the exception of the afore mentioned problem....Thanks for your recomendation, I really didnt realize an Iwata was that in-expensive....what about parts costs for them?Plum thats along the lines Im looking for is something I can put a few drops in and shoot do a quick clean maybe just shooting some thinner through it and switch colors...I build a lot of autos which have many different small parts and all of them are different colors! LOL

MikeV thanks...I read about the Thayer Chandler you mentioned in another thread but honestly had not heard of them until you mentioned it in the other thread...I thought that they had a 1/4oz color cup for the VL but I couldnt remember....thanks for the info!

Murray...so far the only down fall to the VL has been its inability to handle small jobs without too much hassle and fuss....other than that its been a great tool even though its gone mostly unused...That will be changing this weekend.

Again thank you all for your comments/suggestions if you have anymore dont hesitate to post them!

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 2:02 PM

Sponsorship would be nice, but the real reason is that the search took a dent out of my wallet and I spent years avoiding airbrushing, now I avoid hand brushing. and I'm ecstatic.

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MikeV

Member since
April 2003
From: Hayward, CA

Posted by MikeV on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 2:33 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by HistoryinScale

MikeV thanks...I read about the Thayer Chandler you mentioned in another thread but honestly had not heard of them until you mentioned it in the other thread...I thought that they had a 1/4oz color cup for the VL but I couldnt remember....thanks for the info!

My pleasure Chris.
You should be able to find a 1/4 oz color cup for your VL at most any hobby or craft store. The Badger 1/4 oz color cup also fits the VL so that makes it even easier to locate one.

Mike

“Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon

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MikeV

Member since
April 2003
From: Hayward, CA

Posted by MikeV on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 2:35 PM

Plum,

That's great to hear my friend. Having a positive airbrushing experience makes the money well spent. Wink [;)]

Mike

“Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon

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