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I cant seem to get washes right, ARGH

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I cant seem to get washes right, ARGH
Posted by smeagol the vile on Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:00 AM

Ok, im trying to do an acrylic wash for pannel lines.

Im using about 90% to 10% water to paint mixture.

I put the water in.

I put the paint in.

I shake it to mix it.

I get my wash testing piec.

Get the wash on the brush, put it on, the wash beads up, doesnt spread, doesnt go into the pannel lines just sits on the surface in beads... What can I do to get this to work, im at my wits end!

 

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Posted by Phil_H on Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:21 AM
You need to add a couple of drops of dishwashing detergent to your mix to break the surface tension of the water. Stir it, don't shake or you will have a jar of foam.
dmk
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Posted by dmk on Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:36 AM
 smeagol the vile wrote:

Ok, im trying to do an acrylic wash for pannel lines.

Im using about 90% to 10% water to paint mixture.

I don't like using water for acrylic washes. It tends to bead like you have found.

I use Tamiya or Testors Acrylic thinner. 

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:11 PM

ah, well that would be the problem.  Thanks. 

Acrylic thinner wont damage enamel or laquer will it?

 

dmk
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Posted by dmk on Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:19 PM
 smeagol the vile wrote:

Acrylic thinner wont damage enamel or laquer will it?

It hasn't for me (using Tamiya X-20A thinner), but I'd test it first if I were you.

 Acrylic thinner seems to be mostly alchohol. That shouldn't affect dried enamel or laquer. 

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Posted by ruddratt on Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:33 PM

 dmk wrote:
I use Tamiya or Testors Acrylic thinner. 

Same here. I thin Tamiya smoke with it, maybe adding a small drop of dark grey if I need a bit more contrast. Tamiya thinner breaks up the surface tension and allows it to flow easily.

Mike

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Posted by ssgkopp on Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:17 PM
If you use the dish soap trick it will not bead up.  Water is cheaper than the brand thinner.
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Posted by smeagol the vile on Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:39 PM
Dish soap trick?  People say that, I tried putting a drop in, all it did was make bubbles.

 

dmk
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Posted by dmk on Monday, January 12, 2009 6:43 AM

 smeagol the vile wrote:
Dish soap trick?  People say that, I tried putting a drop in, all it did was make bubbles.
There must be a black science to that. I never could get a drop or two of soap to give me any desirable effect with acrylics either. (and I'm usually all over cheap solutions - no pun intended)

 

 

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Posted by USArmyFAO on Monday, January 12, 2009 7:02 AM

Wit appologies to Mr. Bond - stirred not shaken - is best after you add the detergent, use a toothpick.  Also, are you having a go on a gloss surface?  I have tried to go on the cheap, without doing a gloss coat before and the results were less than satisfactory.

Cheers, Matt

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Posted by Air Master Modeler on Monday, January 12, 2009 10:38 AM
Matt is correct, add dish soap and DO NOT SHAKE IT. Stir it then apply with detail brush over panel lines and let dry. Clean up any excess with a cotton swap dipped in warm water.

Rand

30 years experience building plastic models.

WIP: Revell F-14B Tomcat, backdating to F-14A VF-32 1989 Gulf Of Sidra MiG-23 Killer "Gypsy 207".

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Monday, January 12, 2009 6:27 PM

I dont put it on a gloss surface when I practice, I put it over bare plastic, which, you can figure, is gloss.

So dont shake it? just stir it? il go try

 

 

 

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Posted by ssgkopp on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:22 PM

I use plain tap water in a small dixie cup. Then I add a good squeese of soap then the paint to color I want. For me it should be a little thicker than water.  Stir slowing and youo should not get bubbles. Takes about 30-45 min to dry depending on how thick you put it on. Then very easily reomove excess with a cloth or Q-tip.

 

Gloss surface is a must.  

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:17 AM
I did it and it worked well, though, I practiced on white, and the blue (blue wash) stained some of the surrounding white a bit, which isnt good, but I guess thats what touchups are for, eh'?

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:24 PM
I use alcohol for thinning acrylics...  It evaporates faster than water..

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Friday, January 16, 2009 9:16 AM
So you just pour whatevers left in your beer can into your paint?

 

dmk
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Posted by dmk on Friday, January 16, 2009 1:21 PM
No, beer doesn't work well. Too sticky.  Try Vodka.  "A little for me, a little for the model, a little more for me... " Make a Toast [#toast]
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Posted by fermis on Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:46 PM
MMMMMMM,VODKA!

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Posted by davezinn on Friday, January 23, 2009 12:57 PM

i build cars and trucks, not yet any military subjects, but i do like to weather my builds and do use washes quite a bit. for the most part i always use Testors bottle paints and thier thinner to make washes, the color "rubber" is one of my favorites and most used. i'm still getting used to Tamiya's acrylics and havent yet had good luck using them for washes. i have also been experimenting with some Mig pigments that i have as well. so far using Tamiya's acrylic thinner has worked well with that stuff as well as thier flat base. i learn alot from military and railroad modelers, so please keep up with the excellent tips and the help!

Dave

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Posted by Ranger2Seven on Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:53 AM
 dmk wrote:

 smeagol the vile wrote:
Dish soap trick?  People say that, I tried putting a drop in, all it did was make bubbles.
There must be a black science to that. I never could get a drop or two of soap to give me any desirable effect with acrylics either. (and I'm usually all over cheap solutions - no pun intended)

 

 

 

Yup, me, too. 

~GrummanLuvvar~
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Posted by usmc1371 on Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:08 AM

I take it you're using Tamiya Acrylics for the wash?  I've tried them with not much success.  I started using Polly Scale Acrylics.  I add some Dawn dish washing soap and distilled water.  Works fantastic for me.  There was no staining either.  If I don't like the wash, I can remove it completely with distilled water.  I would avoid using tap water because the hard mineral deposits that can be found in it can causing staining.

-Jesse

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:08 PM
 Ranger2Seven wrote:
 dmk wrote:

 smeagol the vile wrote:
Dish soap trick?  People say that, I tried putting a drop in, all it did was make bubbles.
There must be a black science to that. I never could get a drop or two of soap to give me any desirable effect with acrylics either. (and I'm usually all over cheap solutions - no pun intended)

 

 

 

Yup, me, too. 

Use alcohol instead of water & soap...

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