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Drain your tanks!
Posted by acmodeler01 on Monday, January 19, 2009 7:03 AM

I'm sure everyone has at least heard that you're supposed to drain your tanks on your compressors, I think I found out why last night.

I was going to do some painting last night when I discovered my compressor did not work. I did some simple investigating that turned into an hour and a half long compressor "autopsy". Turns out a piece of the motor broke off and caused some pretty significant damage to other (apparently vital) parts of the motor. Obviously it doesn't work anymore. It was really cool, however, to see what makes that thing hum.

So, during the methodical destruction, I kept moving the compressor and I noticed a swishing sound coming from the tank. I knew that the tank was supposed to be drained regularly, but I had never been able to do this; the small drain at the bottom of the tank never seemed to work. After I removed the entire drain assembly, I found out why it never worked: there was so much rusty, silt-filled liquid in the tank that it had completely blocked the drain. I don't know how long it had been this way, but the water looked pretty old. The compressor was 4 years old, and it has been in the garage for at least 2 of those years, never able to be drained.

After I removed the drain, I actually had to push through a layer of muck with a screwdriver, at which point the liquid started pouring out. It was a rust colored water, thicker than plain water because of the silt (or something) mixed in, with a metallic odor to it. I was able to get most of it out, and I'd say about 3-4 ounces total that was removed.

So this ordeal got me thinking that this is a pretty good example of why to drain your tanks. I don't know how much, if any, damage there was to the tank, but all the rust could not have been good for it. I have a friend with a cutting torch, and I might get him to cut the tank open so I can take a look. If I do that, I'll post pictures. It was a pretty neat experience, except for having to spend money on a new compressor.

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Posted by namrednef on Monday, January 19, 2009 12:58 PM

 

I have often wondered why compressor manufacturers do not coat the inside of the air reservoir with teflon or an epoxy compound. Planned obsolecence?

Many of our canned food tins are coated with teflon. Perhaps neglect would degrade the teflon, but it might be a good start in order to keep the tank from rusting through.

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Posted by acmodeler01 on Monday, January 19, 2009 1:33 PM
That would make sense, wouldn't it? If I end up cutting the tank open, I'll be interested to see if it painted at all or just bare metal.
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Posted by Bgrigg on Monday, January 19, 2009 2:18 PM
 namrednef wrote:

 

I have often wondered why compressor manufacturers do not coat the inside of the air reservoir with teflon or an epoxy compound. Planned obsolecence?

Many of our canned food tins are coated with teflon. Perhaps neglect would degrade the teflon, but it might be a good start in order to keep the tank from rusting through.

Even food tins have a shelf life. No matter what coating is used for protection, eventually water or air will cause rust, or in the case of food, bacteria growth.

The tanks likely are painted on the inside, or they would start rusting almost immediately through oxidation (oxygen, not water is the bigger culprit). Draining the tank is a simple matter, and should be done at least monthly for hobby compressor tanks. Big garage tanks that get used a LOT should be done weekly. It's a simple matter, costs nothing but a little time and will extend the life of your tank by years.

Since we're on the subject, let's have a show of hands of people who drain their household hot water tank at least once per year (mine is already up in the air!). Why not? Same rules apply for these tanks, though because they're filled with water they don't rust as FAST as when they are full of nothing but air. Believe me, when a hot water tank lets go, it lets GO! Nothing like having 40 or 60 gallons of hot water being dumped on your basement floor. Just ask me how I know.

So, go drain your air tanks, and plan on doing the same for your hot water tank!

So long folks!

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Posted by padakr on Monday, January 19, 2009 2:53 PM
 Bgrigg wrote:

Since we're on the subject, let's have a show of hands of people who drain their household hot water tank at least once per year (mine is already up in the air!). Why not? Same rules apply for these tanks, though because they're filled with water they don't rust as FAST as when they are full of nothing but air. Believe me, when a hot water tank lets go, it lets GO! Nothing like having 40 or 60 gallons of hot water being dumped on your basement floor. Just ask me how I know.

So, go drain your air tanks, and plan on doing the same for your hot water tank!

I'll bite.  How does draining the hot water tank help?

 

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Posted by Bgrigg on Monday, January 19, 2009 3:06 PM

For one, it lets any rust, dirt, sediment or mineral buildup that got into the tank to drain out, therefore making the tank more efficient, as well as extending its life. Secondly, it alerts you to any problem by showing you just how much rust, dirt, sediment or mineral buildup are already building up in your tank. Some people recommend doing this twice a year.

You don't have to drain out ALL the water, just enough to flush out sediments, 2-5 gallons would probably suffice.

So long folks!

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Posted by padakr on Monday, January 19, 2009 8:27 PM
Thanks.  don't know how long it's been for mine.  Not in the 6 years we've owned the house.  I'll have to add that to my list of chores.
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Posted by MikeV on Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM
 namrednef wrote:

 

I have often wondered why compressor manufacturers do not coat the inside of the air reservoir with teflon or an epoxy compound. Planned obsolecence?

Many of our canned food tins are coated with teflon. Perhaps neglect would degrade the teflon, but it might be a good start in order to keep the tank from rusting through.

Some of the better compressors like Jun-Air and Silentaire paint the insides of the tank. 

 

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by namrednef on Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:29 PM

 

If any have seen the original "The Incredible Shrinking Man".....when that water heater (NOT HOT water heater.....hot water doesn't need heating!).....lets go.....that's what real life is. Drain the sediments periodically as mentioned......any garden hose is compatible with the drain faucet.

Think of your compressor the same way. Drain it every now and then.

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Posted by Bgrigg on Tuesday, January 20, 2009 6:29 PM
 namrednef wrote:

 

If any have seen the original "The Incredible Shrinking Man".....when that water heater (NOT HOT water heater.....hot water doesn't need heating!).....lets go.....that's what real life is. Drain the sediments periodically as mentioned......any garden hose is compatible with the drain faucet.

Think of your compressor the same way. Drain it every now and then.

You made me go back and check to make sure I didn't say hot water heater and lo and behold I called it a hot water TANK. I am soooo clever!

So long folks!

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Posted by firesmacker on Tuesday, January 20, 2009 6:52 PM

I have a Silentaire compressor and can't for the life of me see where I am supposed to drain it from. I even went to their website looking for info. Nada. I gave it a few swirls and didn't hear anything inside so I am assuming there is no water in there yet. Does a moisture trap alleviate this or is it a seperate issue?

I am really curious now...

Regards,

Jeff

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Posted by padakr on Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:12 PM
 firesmacker wrote:

I have a Silentaire compressor and can't for the life of me see where I am supposed to drain it from. I even went to their website looking for info. Nada. I gave it a few swirls and didn't hear anything inside so I am assuming there is no water in there yet. Does a moisture trap alleviate this or is it a seperate issue?

I am really curious now...

Regards,

Jeff

That is a good question.  Is it the compressor itself, or an air tank attached to a compressor?

 

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Posted by keilau on Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:14 PM
 firesmacker wrote:

I have a Silentaire compressor and can't for the life of me see where I am supposed to drain it from. I even went to their website looking for info. Nada. I gave it a few swirls and didn't hear anything inside so I am assuming there is no water in there yet. Does a moisture trap alleviate this or is it a seperate issue?

I am really curious now...

Jeff, you did not mention which compressor and how big an air tank you had. For the super silent series, you go to page 15, Figure 7 of the manual for drain instruction.

If you get one of the small Scorpion compressor, only the compressor that has a tank is the FS-MA-TT-2000. Look at the parts list, #305 is the drain plug. Others do not have a tank. A moisture trap at the compressor outlet is always a good idea. Silentaire shows how to drain the trap in their manual too.

When a compressor gets hot and heats up the air it pumps, moisture is created when the air cools down in the tank. It is not much a problem if you get a good airbrush compressor which does no get too hot or with small or no air tank. It is more a problem for owners of the garage type, oilless compressor (which gets very hot) with a large air tank (which give the air plenty of time to cool.

Silentaire does post their manuals on the web site.

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Posted by firesmacker on Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:29 PM

Keilau,

Upon further review, apparently it doesn't have a tank. Just a motor and moisture trap. I have the Silentaire Scorpion I (MA-1000). The moisture trap just unscrews. There was a little moisture and a very tiny amount of what looked liked very fine sugar. No idea what that could be. So I rinsed it out and dryed it. There is a very small opening in the bottom that I believe is there to allow that moisture to drain.

Thanks for the reply.

Regards,

Jeff

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Posted by MikeV on Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:42 PM
 keilau wrote:
 firesmacker wrote:

I have a Silentaire compressor and can't for the life of me see where I am supposed to drain it from. I even went to their website looking for info. Nada. I gave it a few swirls and didn't hear anything inside so I am assuming there is no water in there yet. Does a moisture trap alleviate this or is it a seperate issue?

I am really curious now...

Jeff, you did not mention which compressor and how big an air tank you had. For the super silent series, you go to page 15, Figure 7 of the manual for drain instruction.

If you get one of the small Scorpion compressor, only the compressor that has a tank is the FS-MA-TT-2000. Look at the parts list, #305 is the drain plug. Others do not have a tank. A moisture trap at the compressor outlet is always a good idea. Silentaire shows how to drain the trap in their manual too.

When a compressor gets hot and heats up the air it pumps, moisture is created when the air cools down in the tank. It is not much a problem if you get a good airbrush compressor which does no get too hot or with small or no air tank. It is more a problem for owners of the garage type, oilless compressor (which gets very hot) with a large air tank (which give the air plenty of time to cool.

Silentaire does post their manuals on the web site.

Moisture can also accumulate in the tank in humid climates regardless of heat from the compressor motor I believe.

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by sizzlak on Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:20 AM
I drained my hot water tank and It didn't help my airbrushing.Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by keilau on Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:27 PM
 firesmacker wrote:

Upon further review, apparently it doesn't have a tank. Just a motor and moisture trap. I have the Silentaire Scorpion I (MA-1000). The moisture trap just unscrews. There was a little moisture and a very tiny amount of what looked liked very fine sugar. No idea what that could be. So I rinsed it out and dryed it. There is a very small opening in the bottom that I believe is there to allow that moisture to drain.

I used a Scorpion I clone for many years, which was called the AirBrush City MA-1000. Nice, quiet little compressor, but does get quite warm in longer sessions of airburshing after about half an hour. The moisture is a necessity and should be drained whenever you see water cummunation inside.

After I bought the Passche DA400 which ran much cooler, I have yet to see water in the moisture trap. I live in St. Louis which is quite humind during summer time.

 

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