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At last! Victory is mine!!!! BWah hah hahahaha!

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At last! Victory is mine!!!! BWah hah hahahaha!
Posted by garyfo on Sunday, December 7, 2003 10:41 AM
I've been making models since I was 7. Took about a 10 year break around my college years, and got back into it with both feet a few years ago.

And decided I'd finally start painting canopy frames.

Oh the frustration. The anger. The hate.

I've been working on the old Revell P-40 kit. It came with two sets of canopies.

Canopy #1 I used liquid mask on the canopy, than airbrushed over it. This worked not so well. Probably had a lot to do with it being my first attempt at liquid mask solution. In frustration, I set the kit aside.

A few weeks later, I took a shot at the second canopy.

Canopy #2 I used scotch tape on. I cut away the sections over the frames, and hand painted them using a micro-brush. I put two coats on. Assuming the worst, I again set the kit aside for a few weeks. Too frustrated to even look at it.

Last night I took the scotch tape off of canopy #2. Holy cow! It worked!

Is it museum quality? Would I put it in a show? Nope. (I have some other skills to hone before things start going in shows Big Smile [:D]) But am I happy with it? YEP!

Canopies have been the MOST frustrating part of my modeling experience. I'm no expert at them, but at least now I know it's not impossible.

I'd like to personally thank every person who's ever posted a thread on canopy painting right now. Not only have you given me ideas on how to do it, but you've also helped me by making me realize I wasn't the only one out there having the problem.

You guys rock!
Gary
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Posted by shrikes on Sunday, December 7, 2003 11:45 AM
Sign - Ditto [#ditto] I know exactly how you feel, and i'm glad one of us got it right! I tried to mask a canopy of mine last night, but the windows were just too darn small, so i hand painted them - again. I'm going to try and do the waist gun blisters with maskingtape and so forth... wish me luck! Smile [:)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 7, 2003 1:15 PM
I just recently tried this for the first time a few weeks ago. In the past all my canopies were clear and stayed that way! I never attempted it. But now we can all share in our victory. I have liquid mask but figured it might not be the best thing to use...so I skipped an attempt with that. I used Tamiya Masking tape on mine....

Cockpit was on a 1/72 P40

First attempt was great....looks good and Im satisfied with the results! Took me almost an hour and 45 minutes to mask the thing(I was working very very slowly and taking my time!) for 10 seconds of brush painting....I had a lil bleed through in one area just a spot that was easily scraped off with a toothpick.

I think I'll continue doing this in the future....it really does make the model look better. Who knows maybe after a few canopies under my belt it wont take so long with the masking!
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Posted by garyfo on Sunday, December 7, 2003 3:41 PM
I'm going to try bare-metal foil on my next kit, a Seversky P-35A in 1/48th scale. I've read that this works really good, better than masking tape.

Of course, now that I've done one canopy, I go back to all my old kits and think....hmm....I could just update all the canopies....LOL!
Gary
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Posted by shrikes on Monday, December 8, 2003 12:42 PM
Speaking of Bare metal foil, will Paint adhere to it alright? What if i use a wash on a model covered with bare metal foil?
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 8, 2003 3:29 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by garyfo


Oh the frustration. The anger. The hate.


<SNIP>

I do my canopies the same way each time and have had no probs or leaks.

1. Clean the canopy with alcohol and let dry.

2. Get tamiya masking tape. (narrow 1/4 inch strips are easier to work with)

3. Put the canopy on a light table or on a GE portable flourescent lamp.
Put that tape on and mask those frames with confidence! The light shining thru really helps to see those frames, especially on 1/72 scale birds.
Be sure to use a new x-acto blade and pull the knife, don't push it.
After cutting, burnish the tape down with a piece of plastic (I use an old testors brush handle sharpened in a pencil sharpener).
Glue the canopy on the plane if you want, or apply masking tape underneath the canopy and a blob of blu tak. The stick a toothpick in there to hold it while you are painting.

4. Spray future or some other clear coat and let dry before painting. It prevents leaks under the tape.
Don't forget to decal and dullcoat afterwards if you need to.

5. after paint and dullcoat (you remembered that right?) dries, use a pointed toothpick to push one corner of the tape off. Then use tweezers and pull the tape off at a 45 degree angle.

Tip: Don't look at the light too long, it's not the sun, but can still strain your eyes if you look at it long. I do one side of the canopy and walk away for a few.

Light tables can be expensive, the GE task light is much cheaper, I got mine at BJs

Happy masking.
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Posted by qmiester on Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:41 PM
Chris
If you think doing that to a model takes a long time, try it on a 1 to 1 aircraft! By the time you get it stripped, prepped, and masked, you've spent a minimum of a week (@ 8 hrs per day). Now, you get to spend 2 hrs max to paint it. Then you have probably have 3 days work getting it ready for the trim colors (and good luck if there are more than one). Then, after everything has dried, you will spend two to three days removing masking, touching up and reinstalling those items removed (wheel pants, control surfaces etc)
Let's face it, whether a model or full scale you (and I) are going to spend a lot of time prepping just to do a few minutes applying paint.
Oh well, its supposed to be relaxing (thats what I've been told)
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Posted by MikeV on Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:38 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by qmiester

Chris
If you think doing that to a model takes a long time, try it on a 1 to 1 aircraft! By the time you get it stripped, prepped, and masked, you've spent a minimum of a week (@ 8 hrs per day). Now, you get to spend 2 hrs max to paint it.


You must have a big airbrush for that! Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:53 PM
For those of you who are working with a brush on your canopy, I'd recommend getting one with long bristles like the one shown in the image below. This canopy is 1/72 and painted with the brush shown. It's not quite done yet, as you can see there's a few touch-ups to do because I've been handling it too much. I find that most of the little mistakes can be cleaned up with a sharp exacto point under a magnifying glass with lots of light.

Spraying/masking is the best way, but it takes a good amount of patience and time (as already mentioned.) Good luck!

Murray

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 12, 2003 1:06 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murray Kish

For those of you who are working with a brush on your canopy, I'd recommend getting one with long bristles like the one shown in the image below. This canopy is 1/72 and painted with the brush shown. It's not quite done yet, as you can see there's a few touch-ups to do because I've been handling it too much. I find that most of the little mistakes can be cleaned up with a sharp exacto point under a magnifying glass with lots of light.

Spraying/masking is the best way, but it takes a good amount of patience and time (as already mentioned.) Good luck!

Murray




Good tip! That brush, BTW is called a "striper" or "pinstriper" all michaels's have them.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 12, 2003 2:13 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by MikeV

QUOTE: Originally posted by qmiester

Chris
If you think doing that to a model takes a long time, try it on a 1 to 1 aircraft! By the time you get it stripped, prepped, and masked, you've spent a minimum of a week (@ 8 hrs per day). Now, you get to spend 2 hrs max to paint it.


You must have a big airbrush for that! Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]

Mike


Wasnt the airbrush I was thinking about but the compressor!Tongue [:P]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Cool [8D]Cool [8D]
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Posted by shrikes on Friday, December 12, 2003 8:06 AM
HA-HAH! I got it! I did what digimage sugegsted and cleaned, masked and cut the masking tape on the canopy (with much skepticism, i might add) lastnight. I just slobbered paint all over it with a brush, and removed the tape today... The angels are singing in heaven because the lines are nice and neat!!! Woo-hooo!! Big Smile [:D] Man, that tamiya tape is good stuff!

QUOTE: Originally posted by Murray Kish
For those of you who are working with a brush on your canopy, I'd recommend getting one with long bristles like the one shown in the image below. This canopy is 1/72 and painted with the brush shown. It's not quite done yet, as you can see there's a few touch-ups to do because I've been handling it too much. I find that most of the little mistakes can be cleaned up with a sharp exacto point under a magnifying glass with lots of light.

Spraying/masking is the best way, but it takes a good amount of patience and time (as already mentioned.) Good luck!

Are you sure a long brush is the way to go? i use the smallest and shortest brush out there... (i have no idea what size/brush #, etc...)
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 13, 2003 11:53 PM
Shrikes,

Give it a try and see. I was reluctant too, but these types of brushes are built for this. I find that I have way less control over the 'straightness' of the line when I use a tiny/short brush. And, they don't hold nearly as much paint so you have to keep going back to the jar for more paint. It's the right thing for me...

Murray
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