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Need help troubleshooting airbrush problems please.

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  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by MikeV on Saturday, December 27, 2003 3:58 PM
Didn't I tell you Badger has the best customer service out there? Bow [bow] Big Smile [:D]

I'd like to see Iwata email you back even within a week. Whistling [:-^] Wink [;)]

I hope it works out for you my friend. Thumbs Up [tup]

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by TryintoModel on Saturday, December 27, 2003 1:34 PM
Wow, Mike! I received an email back from Ken at Badger in what must have been only an hour last night. I can't believe he responded so soon on the day after Christmas. On top of that, I didn't email him until 7:00 or 8:00 pm last night! He said he would send me some seals to try out and if they didn't work, he would have me send the brush in. Is that cool or what! Thanks for helping Mike!
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Posted by TryintoModel on Friday, December 26, 2003 8:36 PM
Thanks Mike, I emailed him.
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  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by MikeV on Friday, December 26, 2003 12:26 PM
Give Ken at Badger a holler at kenbadger@aol.com and ask him about it.
Ken will help you out and is not only a great guy, he is also the president of Badger. Wink [;)]
Being this is the holiday season he may take a few days to get back to you, but he has always helped out those of us that have asked for help about Badger products. He is the reason many people stick with Badger above every other brand, and I for one am one of those. Thumbs Up [tup]

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 26, 2003 6:58 AM
You can send the brush back to Badger for repairs. I believe they will only charge you for the parts needed to repair it and postage. I don't think they will charge you for labor on the 150.

I've always prefered using a color cup vs a jar and gravity feed vs siphon. I just got a Badger 360. Very nice airbrush. The Badger Anthem is identical to it except that it only operates in siphon feed mode.
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  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by MikeV on Friday, December 26, 2003 12:29 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Davrukr

How do you know what the different tips are for the omni?


The Omni has a single tip and needle for all applications. You don't have to switch needles for different applications. Wink [;)]

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by TryintoModel on Friday, December 26, 2003 12:11 AM
How do you know what the different tips are for the omni?
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Posted by TryintoModel on Friday, December 26, 2003 12:01 AM
I have been using the metal siphon cup with my badger 150. It came with both the jar and the metal cup. I use the jar to clean and the cup to paint.

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  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by MikeV on Thursday, December 25, 2003 10:17 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Davrukr

Thanks Mike. What's the difference (or benefit) between the siphon feed and gravity feed?


The siphon-feed is better if you need larger amouts of paint because of the ability to attach larger jars to the airbrush. The gravity-feed airbrushes have the ability to spray mediums at a lower pressure due to the fact that gravity feeds the paint into the needle rather than suction, and that is their main advantage over a siphon-feed model.
I have never had a problem getting a siphon-feed to reliably pick up the paint for modelling, but I never use the glass jars that some people use either.
It is better to use the 1/4 oz. metal cups for a siphon-feed airbrush as there is less trouble picking up the paint with the lower pressures.
If you don't need a very large quantity of paint and can afford a little extra money then I would highly recommend the Omni 4000 I mentioned before, but if you are on a tight budget then I would consider the Vega 2000 or the Anthem and buy a metal cup to go along with it. The Badger as well as the Paasche metal cups fit in almost every siphon-feed airbrush out there.

In regards to the Aztec airbrushes, you can try one of these if you want but you will never get the results and precision you get with a standard, double-action airbrush. If the Aztec were as great as it is advertised to be then there would be more automotive airbrush artists using it. I can think of none who do. My 2 cents [2c]

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 25, 2003 9:53 PM
I know they are relatively unpopular here on the forum, but I would recommend an Aztek airbrush for your backup or even for your primary! The color cups on the Azteks come with lids so the spilled paint accident would have never happened.

I have never had good luck with siphon feed airbrushes. I could never get the siphon action to "suck" the paint up out of the bottle consistently. It would always sputter and spit. When I switched to the gravity feed airbrush this problem disappeared entirely. With gravity feed brushes, the paint naturally flows downhill, not relying on airflow to suck it up out of the bottle.

-Mark
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Posted by TryintoModel on Thursday, December 25, 2003 9:21 PM
Thanks Mike. What's the difference (or benefit) between the siphon feed and gravity feed?
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  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by MikeV on Thursday, December 25, 2003 8:49 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Davrukr

What would be a good reasonably priced airbrush for a backup or second? Around $50 or so?


You could buy a T&C Vega 2000 for $48.95 with free shipping from Dixie Art:



Another good choice would be the Badger 155 Anthem for $49.95 also with free shipping from Dixie Art:



Both of these are siphon-fed dual-action models and are excellent airbrushes. They will also fit the same air hose as your 150 I believe.
These would be your best bets in the $50 price range. If you want to throw in another $20 then I would go for the Omni 4000 gravity feed model:



Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by TryintoModel on Thursday, December 25, 2003 7:26 PM
What would be a good reasonably priced airbrush for a backup or second? Around $50 or so?
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Posted by TryintoModel on Thursday, December 25, 2003 7:18 PM
I might have to resort to that swanny. I'm would think it would be less expensive to have them fix it than buy a new one. I have heard many other modelers use a Badger 150 and seem to like it. It's probably not under warranty or anything, though.
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  • From: Sandusky Ohio, USA
Posted by Swanny on Thursday, December 25, 2003 4:07 PM
It's possible that you have a damaged needle seal in the handle. You need to send that in for service as it is nearly impossible to change yourself.
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Posted by TryintoModel on Thursday, December 25, 2003 3:40 PM
I tried painting again. I checked the pressure, moisture trap and seals. They seem fine. I thinned the paint more and that didn't help. I put the medium on and it did a lot better, but still had the same problems. It wouldn't stop flowing as fast as the fine, but it would eventually. But the stream coming out was a lot smoother, not as much spitting like the fine would do. I'm really frustrated. I might be investing in another airbrush soon. This airbrush sat up for quit a while before my mom gave it to me. But she only used it once. Not sure what could go wrong with it just sitting. I can't find any clogged up areas. The nozzles are clean and clear. The needles are straight as I can tell.

On another note of frustration, I'm on my second model for airbrushing. My first was just a simple IJN Grey Zero with a black cowling. It worked ok. This time I was doing a P-47D Razorback. I primed it white and then preshaded all the panel lines (raised) with black. I then painted to bottom gray and top olive drap. Even with my frustrating problems with the airbrush the preshading really looked good to me. Then the inevitable happened. I was trying to spray in a little crevice on the model and tipped the paint cup too far. And a big splash of paint fell on one of the wings. I was so upset. I tried to wipe the big spot off just to wipe away the olive drab that was on there plus smear the preshading. Arggggg. I waited a bit and painted back over the spot, which is the size of a quarter on a 1:48 scale. It may look ok, but it really made me mad.
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Posted by TryintoModel on Wednesday, December 24, 2003 10:47 PM
I do have a moisture trap, although I think I may have a small leak. The compressor on my 2 gallon air compressor comes on sometimes when I'm not painting, so there must be a small leak. I'll have to inspect that. The rings are there and are in good shape. I have been submerging the ring during cleaning, I will take them off from now on. I looked in my moisture trap, but there is no water.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 24, 2003 8:54 PM
I also use a Badger 150. Do you have a moisture trap? Compressing air produces water, and can sometimes "spit." Make sure all of your air connections are tight, and wrap the threads with teflon tape. Is the white teflon ring on the back of the nozzle in good shape? It could be damaged (or missing?). Its a good idea to have a few of these. Try the tape, and inspect the ring. Don't submerge the ring in thinner.
I really like my Badger. The camo on the plane in my signature was painted freehand with the fine needle/nozzle.
Hope this helps, and good luck.
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Need help troubleshooting airbrush problems please.
Posted by TryintoModel on Wednesday, December 24, 2003 8:41 PM
I'm a new modeler with a Badger 150. I have read as much as I can about airbrushing and taking care of the airbrush. I "think" I'm doing an ok job, but something must be wrong. I have a problem with the flow of paint or even thinner sputtering. I just won't blow a smooth stream. Even when I am cleaning the brush and I have just a jar of pure laquer thinner in it, when I try and spray it out at full "pull-back" at about 20-25 psi, it sputters about every second. Sorta like a "ts, ts, ts, tssssssssss, ts, ts, tssssss, ts, ts, ts, tssssss". It's a litte different with paint. I don't spray at full "pull-back" most of the time because I'm trying to paint in detail. But when spraying paint it will slowly, over about 5 seconds, almost stop spraying paint and then it will almost "hiccup" and spray again. I look in the front nozzle and its not even close to having any paint buildup. What I end up doing is spraying a few seconds till it runs dry and then pointing the airbrush at something else, like a piece of card board, and pulling back all the way to get it started again. This is very annoying. I "believe" I have thinned the paint out enough. It seems like milk to me. And besides, it won't even spray pure thinner out correctly. I will try thinning the paint out more next time. I clean the airbrush by attaching a bottle of pure laquer thinner (I'm painting with enamels, btw) and spraying about the whole bottle. I detach the bottle, unscrew both parts of the nozzle. I submerge the nozzle parts in laquer thinner and start cleaning the rest of the brush. I take out the needle and wipe it with a paper towel dipped in thinner. I then use a pipe cleaner to clean out the part that the paint cup and bottle attach and clean out the front of the airbrush. I then clean the nozzles. All parts look clean as a whistle. I put everything back in place and blow air through to dry it out. Then I put it up. If I'm doing something wrong, please let me know. Other things I may need to say is I'm using a the fine tip. The tip seems perfectly fine to me. It's practically new, given to me by my mother used it only once at a class. The nozzle tip doesn't look damaged either.
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