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Flat White acrylic that covers best

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    April 2010
Flat White acrylic that covers best
Posted by takos on Thursday, April 8, 2010 1:30 AM

First of all I would like to thank all the members of this forum for all the great tips and techniques they have shared with everyone. I am getting back into model building after 20 years and have been thrilled to find a forum with so many great tips and ideas. I build mostly Macross and gundam but want to build some Star Trek and SW models as well. My question is this: 

I currently use Tamiya grey primer and then paint over that a final color of flat white. I currently use Tamiya thinned with their own thinner but I need quite a few coats to cover the grey. I am using a Paashe VL with a size 3 setup at about 15 psi but my paint is coming out a little grainy, when I get a little closer and lower the air pressure I get some runs and I get a lot of paint drying on the tip. My AB is over 20 years old and I used to shoot alot of figure painting paint through it, so I took it apart and cleaned it well with lacquer thinner. 

1. what am I doing wrong if anything, I try to follow alot of the advice found here with some good results but not great results. 

2. Is there a flat white acrylic that covers better than Tamiya??? 

3. Will a retarder help and if yes do I need to get Tamiyas or is there another brand that gives equally good results 

Thanks again for all your help

  • Member since
    August 2005
  • From: Sydney, Australia
Posted by Phil_H on Thursday, April 8, 2010 7:32 AM

Getting good coverage with white is always problematic.

Tamiya flat white is actually not too bad, but it will require multiple (4-6) coats.

If your finish is grainy, I would think that you're not thinning the paint sufficiently. I can understand that you may not wish to thin the paint too much so as to obtain maximum coverage, but Tamiya paints go down smoother when thin. I'd be looking at about 1:1 paint/:thinner.

Your VL is something of an air hog and typically requires higher pressure than other AB's. Though I don't use a VL, I think 15PSI is probably below it's optimum working pressure. Reducing the pressure even further, with  insufficiently thinned paint may actually promote tip dry and poor paint flow.

Though it sounds counter-intuitive, I would thin the paint some more and increase the air pressure (say 18-20PSI), but moderate the paint flow by using less trigger.

Apply thin coats, allowing each to dry before overcoating, until sufficient coverage is attained/ 

As far as retarders are concerned, you don't have to use Tamiya's own. Modellers have been using acrylic retarders, for example, those by Golden, Liquitex, Jo Sonja's,  for many years, long before Tamiya offered theirs.

  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Rothesay, NB Canada
Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, April 8, 2010 9:07 AM

Phil has a better grasp on the airbrush numbers than I do, but I can confirm the Tamiya white works well in my opinion. I recently finished a Tamiya Storch with whitewash over the green+dark green splinter camo. I airbrushed most of it, very thin, and it covered very well, and really smooth. I'm sure I could have completely covered with the white had I wanted to.

Vance

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

  • Member since
    May 2005
  • From: Left forever
Posted by Bgrigg on Thursday, April 8, 2010 9:34 AM

It certainly will take more than one coat to get coverage, and Phil has it right on the thinning and air pressure and "off-brand" retarders.

So long folks!

  • Member since
    January 2003
  • From: Peoples Socialist Democratic Republic of Illinois
Posted by Triarius on Thursday, April 8, 2010 9:52 AM

In addition to the good advice above, try undercoating the white with silver. This will cut the number of cover coats roughly in half.

Ross Martinek A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing… Wink

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