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  • Member since
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  • From: Sydney, Australia
Posted by Phil_H on Monday, May 3, 2010 5:59 PM

morefirejules08
i wonder if this would work? http://www.turpenoidnatural.com/

Steer away from the "green can" Turpenoid natural. I haven't used it but I seem to recall some horror stories here from people who have used it for washes and found it still tacky weeks/months later.

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Posted by morefirejules08 on Monday, May 3, 2010 11:34 AM

tgrigg, we pretty much pay tax on breathing here, and we have to pay a "fee" for pharmaceuticals  but its pretty minimal

Eberg: im just getting a little fed up with acrylics , some you thin with this some you thin with that, it dries in the brush, i've tried a few now and either there difficult to spray or dont do a decent range of colours, then you get lifting when you mask, and yes i have put a primer down,

i wonder if this would work? http://www.turpenoidnatural.com/

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  • From: Berkeley CA/St. Paul MN
Posted by EBergerud on Monday, May 3, 2010 11:13 AM

For thinning enamels turpenoid should work just fine and it is very close to odorless. (Great for washes.)  Thinners coming from paint companies may have a purpose in acrylics, but my model shop owner refers customers to the hardware store for thinners when using enamels. However, if you're having trouble with acrylics, I think it good to figure out why. The simple things would be a fouled  brush or not having the ratio of paint/thinner/psi right. Enamels may well have some real advantages, but the downside is there too. So if you want an enamel finish, switch. But I'd sure try acrylics again first - describe your problem in detail and Id guess wise heads here could solve the problem. Personally I think acrylics are terrific for general use and prefer artist oils over enamels for washes. Want to trade some enamels for your acrylics?

Eric

 

A model boat is much cheaper than a real one and won't sink with you in it.

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Posted by Bgrigg on Monday, May 3, 2010 10:46 AM

Does the UK system pay 100% for everything? The Canadian one covers off most, but pharmaceuticals aren't always covered.

And you guys pay high taxes on both income and VAT, right? Ever wonder why? Wink

So long folks!

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Posted by morefirejules08 on Monday, May 3, 2010 10:25 AM

not to make to light of the subject but im in the UK, we dont have medical bills!!

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Posted by Bgrigg on Monday, May 3, 2010 9:40 AM

Beware the concept of less toxic acrylics. They are less toxic like a .22 is less deadly than a .50.

In other words, they are, but only just.

If you are spraying paint inside the house and cannot somehow vent to the outdoors, then I suggest saving up and buying an indoor venting airbrush, the kind that comes with charcoal filters. They are expensive, but are considerably cheaper than medical bills, or divorce papers.

So long folks!

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Posted by morefirejules08 on Monday, May 3, 2010 8:59 AM

i may well have to look into an alternative to the bedroom, luckily its only the larger areas im spraying enamels so it shouldn't impact to much on what im doing at the moment, im still happy to use acrylics on smaller areas and consider them pretty safe to use in the bedroom, now its a toss up between outside, bathroom or kitchen after dinner has been cleared away, kitchen and bathroom also have extractor fans which can only help!!

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Posted by Dr. Coffee on Monday, May 3, 2010 7:50 AM

morefirejules08

well im not lucky enough to have a man cave and i have to work in our bedroom, i try not to spray more that 2 hours before we go to bed and i leave a large double window open but im still concerned about the lingering smell,

If you work in the beroom you would want to think very carefully how you want to play this: Even if the smelly substances are gone with odourless thinners, a number of toxic substances might remain. One spends a lot of time in the bedroom, 6-8 hrs in one go, which means very long, sustained exposure to any toxins still lingering in the air.

I would go to almost any lengths to avoid having to shoot paint or use thinners in the bedroom. Even put the hobby on hold, if the bedroom was the only alternative.

Bathrooms with showers tend to be well ventilated. Could you shoot paint in there? Using some sort of box to contain the overspray? It might not be very practical for you, but that's a place people don't usually spend a lot of time, thus reducing exposure.

DoC

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Posted by Phil_H on Monday, May 3, 2010 7:40 AM

Don Stauffer
There is another type, that is truly odor free and clear, but it is quite a bit more expensive and I have not used it.  It is mostly sold in art supply stores.

Be aware that some "Odourless Solvents"  may not be compatible with certain paints. I have a bottle of artists'  "Odourless Solvent" which I use for oil washes,  which will not mix with enamel paints (either Tamiya enamels and Model Master).

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Monday, May 3, 2010 7:33 AM

There is a new type of "paint thinner" being sold in hardware and building supply places. It is less odorous than standard turpentine, but I hate it.  I suspect it is cheaper for the mfg.  It has a lot of solids in it and a milky appearance.  I hate it. I will pay the extra to buy real turpentine next time.

There is another type, that is truly odor free and clear, but it is quite a bit more expensive and I have not used it.  It is mostly sold in art supply stores.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by morefirejules08 on Monday, May 3, 2010 7:20 AM

well im not lucky enough to have a man cave and i have to work in our bedroom, i try not to spray more that 2 hours before we go to bed and i leave a large double window open but im still concerned about the lingering smell,

as for working longer if you cant smell the paint/thinners, surely you only spray what you need to at the time and regardless of odours you will finish what needs to be done before cleaning up??

 

cheers, chris

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Posted by Phil_H on Monday, May 3, 2010 5:59 AM

Hi Andrew,

I think what Doc is saying is that even though the smell is removed, the potential toxicity remains. You can't smell them, but the vapours are still there and you cannot gauge the concentration because you can't smell it, so potentially you could easily be exposing yourself to more. than you would otherwise.

So while the smell may be irritating, at least you know it's there. No smell and you could find yourself  working longer and giving yourself longer (and potentially harmful) exposure to chemicals/vapours which are still present.

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Posted by Konigwolf13 on Monday, May 3, 2010 5:42 AM

Doc not everyone is lucky enough to have a man cave or shed or whatever, my workstation is in the lounge room and while I try for the best ventilation I can while working sometimes fumes can linger. While these fumes may not be in dangerous quantities they can still be unpleasent after awhile. eg My spouse may be at her computer at the otherside of the room and can smell when I take the lid off my mineral spirits jar just to wash a brush out for no more than 30seconds, so wouldnt oderless be better in this situation?

Andrew

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Posted by Dr. Coffee on Monday, May 3, 2010 4:48 AM

Why do you want odorless thinners?

Paints and thinners are rather funky chemicals, they can do you some serious damage if you stay exposed to them for long enough. So the fact that you can smell them might be seen as a safety feature: If the concentration of these chemicals is such that you can smell the stuff, the ventilation at your workstation might be insufficient.

I assume you use respiration protection when you work the paint, and thus is protected from the vaporized stuff during use. If the smell still bothers you after you have finished painting, look over the ventilation and your paint booth.

The hazard with odorless thinners is that by removing the odour, you feel no immediate discomfort, so you risk far longer exposure to the active ingredients than you would if you could smell the stuff.

DoC  

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  • From: Hobart, Tasmania
Posted by Konigwolf13 on Monday, May 3, 2010 4:34 AM

From my time here I've learnt there are three camps here and many answers that lie between these camps.

1. Only use brand thinner for brand paint or close enough (ie its ok to use tamiya thinner on gunze sangyo in a pinch you you  MUST rush down to the hobby shop first thing tomorrow and restock on the right thinners)

2. Use thinners for thinning but its fine to use mineral spirits and rubbing alcohol for clean up and maintinance.

3. Its fine to use Mineral Spirits and alcohol instead of branded thinners (I fall into the last camp, and am considering trying zero smell mineral spirits)

Andrew

 

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  • From: Buffalo, NY
Posted by macattack80 on Monday, May 3, 2010 4:04 AM

I believe most modelers would advise you to use the paint brands own thinner.  ie: Testors enamel paint with Testors enamel paint thinner.  It pretty much guarantees compatibilty.  

I do use the odorless mineral spirits for artists oil washes.

I hope this helps

Kevin

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odourless thinners
Posted by morefirejules08 on Sunday, May 2, 2010 2:22 PM

hi

having had enough of trying to spray acrylics i've decided to go back to enamels as i used as a kid, the only thing is i would like to try a low/odourless thinners but i can't find any information on modellers using them!

so the question is.... has anyone on here tried them?

 

cheers, chris

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