Badger 200 NH old style tip question

Killjoy

Hey all!

I just aquired a spare Badger 200NH from evilbay, and once it arrived, realized it had the old-style tip and nozzle.  I looked it up on Badgers webpage, and confirmed that it is the older one.

Can someone shed light on

#1: Why did they change nozzle style

#2: Is there much difference between the two?

Thanks a ton for any insights!

Chris

Sounds like you have the original 200.  NH I think, stands for new head.  The original 200 has the same head assembly as the 100 and 150.  The 200NH has the same head as the 175, 155, and 105 Patriot.  They are way different.  The new one is easier to clean and has no Teflon washer to lose.  The old style requires a wrench to tighten.  The new one doesn't.  You could see samples of both on my site.

Don

Killjoy

Hey all!

I just aquired a spare Badger 200NH from evilbay, and once it arrived, realized it had the old-style tip and nozzle.  I looked it up on Badgers webpage, and confirmed that it is the older one.

#2: Is there much difference between the two?

The old-style 200 uses identical head assembly as the Badger 100 series airbrushes.

You will have to go to Don Wheeler's Renegade Rage page to see the difference in needle shape. The old-style 200 medium needle has a longer taper than the "new head" style fine needle. In the 3155 page, the NH style medium needle is a dual taper one. Does the needle taper make any difference in a single action airbrush?

Needle taper makes the difference in every style of airbrush. The longer and shallower taper of the old style 200 should realize thinner lines, but we are talking about a very minor difference.

With the 200NH, you don't experience the quick change from one taper to the other, that you do with the dual action version. This is one area that the single action shines, you can set the line thickness and not worry about a muscle twitch changing the needle position.

I have a 200 from the 80s and don't remember a seal behind the head and there isn't one now.

I just picked up a medium head assembly 50-0162 and that says it is for a 100, 150 & 200.  I came with the seal.  the old head wasn't made any more so I was told by Badger to use this head and needle 50-017.  This is the old number I think but it is visibly shorter than the original.  I hope to try things out by the weekend and have my fingers crossed.

68GT

I have a 200 from the 80s and don't remember a seal behind the head and there isn't one now.

It should have had the head washer - I have a B200 circa 1986-87 and it definitely has one.

68GT

needle 50-017.  This is the old number I think but it is visibly shorter than the original.

As long as there is enough length in the needle for the adjustment knob to lock onto it when inserted and seated, it should work just fine.

I don’t remember there ever being a Teflon washer in there.  The 200 I have has the old cup like spray regulator and not the newer open design.

  The medium head assembly 50-0162 says it comes with this washer (50-055) but it came with the Teflon Needle Bearing (50-046) instead in the same package as the head assembly.  The head also has provisions to use the wrench on it to tighten it up unlike the new 200s head (51-071).

 Come to think about it I don’t recall the needle bearing either.  Is the needle bearing something that fall out and be lost?

The old style head should have a teflon washer, and it could easily get lost, as it is tiny and white. The Teflon needle bearing can fall out, but rarely. It's more difficult to put in.

Here's the old style instruction book as a PDF. Looking at page 3 of the PDF (numbered page 2 in the instructions) you can see both washers. You might not recall them, but they should be there. Otherwise you'll get pulsing.

Badger makes a 200NH and a 200-20.

 http://www.badgerairbrush.com/BADGER_200.asp

I think the 200NH is like in the new style instruction book and the 200-20 is like the in the old style instruction book.

My guess is that there is benefit in the air flow in the new head or atomization of the fluid.  My old one always worked fine though.

I have the 200-20, and it's an excellent detail airbrush. I also have a 150 and 100LG, so I'm well versed on the capabilities of the design. Which is still above my skills!

The new head was designed to eliminate the need for fine, medium and coarse needle sizes, but it didn't work as well, and they eventually came out with the different size needles. The design does eliminate the need for the head washers, but I prefer the old style heads.

68GT

Badger makes a 200NH and a 200-20.

 http://www.badgerairbrush.com/BADGER_200.asp

I think the 200NH is like in the new style instruction book and the 200-20 is like the in the old style instruction book.

My guess is that there is benefit in the air flow in the new head or atomization of the fluid.  My old one always worked fine though.

The old style needle and nozzle set has a longer needle taper and smaller airflow angle and should have better atomization of the fluid in theory. But it may not matter much in a single action airbrush since you set the needle position by dial.

The old style head assembly is the same as in the Badger 100 series. I suspect that it may be more expensive to make compared to the NH (New Head) style head. The old style nozzle is smaller and screwed on, thus, less easy to clean compared to the NH head.