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Mr. Surfacer 1200....WOW!

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Mr. Surfacer 1200....WOW!
Posted by Killjoy on Wednesday, August 4, 2010 10:11 PM

I just sprayed thinned Mr. Surfacer as a primer for the first time.  Wow is it nice!  I have always primed everything I paint, whether it's brush painting or airbrushing.  I have mainly used rattle cans.  Now I am not suggesting Mr. Surfacer will make me give up my Duplicolor sand-able automotive primer, but it will be nice for smaller areas or very fine detail.

I thinned some Mr. Surfacer 1200 with Tamiya's lacquer thinner, about 50-50.  I shot this mix through a Badger 100LG at about 12 psi.  I was really impressed with the coverage and the way it wend down wet, but dried quickly.  After a few minutes, I toughed he surface.  It had a slight sheen, but was not tacky at all.  I used the thumb nail test, seems durable.  Then I sanded the test area with some fine grit sandpaper (either 800 or 1000 grit, I am not sure).  That blew my mind.  The stuff went from the cleanest primer I have ever laid down to perfect in a few swipes.  Any very minor flaws or raised area became smooth and clean that quickly.

I am hooked!  Anyone who is familiar with this stuff know of any adverse paint reactions to it?  Any other advice or hints?  Before you ask, I am triple covered.  I wear a respirator, have a spray booth venting to the outside, and am in a garage with the main door open for ventilation.

Thanks a ton!

Chris

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Posted by Tucohoward on Friday, August 6, 2010 6:55 AM

I prime everything with it and it's great. I have used it with MM Acryl, Tamiya and Mr. Color with no problems. I have read that some people have had problems with MM Acryl adhering, but sprayed over Mr. Surfacer it's never an issue.  

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Posted by Mad-Modeler on Friday, August 6, 2010 7:08 AM

I use it a lot and haven't had any problems so far. Very nice stuff and bottle goes some way.

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Posted by Mad-Modeler on Friday, August 6, 2010 7:10 AM

I use the Mr Surfacer range a lot, nice product and a bottle goes a way.

Another primer I use quiet a bit is the Gaianotes one.

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Posted by AlterEcho on Saturday, August 7, 2010 2:00 PM

My friend loves Mr. Surfacer cut with Mr. Leveler. I have only used the spray can and love it. Once i am finished with that i was going to try cutting it also. The can does go a long way.

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Posted by mucker on Thursday, August 12, 2010 11:34 AM

That's good to hear, Chris. I am a fan of theentire Mr. Surfacer line.  I have some Mr. Dissolved Putty on order, which is similar (supposedly) but has a little more body to it for brush/toothpick application.

One of my favorites in their line is the Mr. Surfacer 1000 in white. Excellent base for spraying light colors or bright colors.

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Posted by Killjoy on Thursday, August 12, 2010 11:58 AM

I have never tried the putty.  Is it similar to squadron white?

Chris

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Posted by mucker on Thursday, August 12, 2010 12:50 PM

Not sure yet, but I don't think so. It comes in a Mr. Surfacer-type bottle, not a tube. The review say it dries to a styre-like appearance and feel. Hopefully my order will arrive soon.

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Posted by Killjoy on Thursday, August 12, 2010 1:29 PM

Where did you find this stuff for sale?  I am having a hard time locating it.

Chris

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Posted by mucker on Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:04 PM

http://www.luckymodel.com/scale.aspx?item_no=GU P119

http://www.luckymodel.com/scale.aspx?item_no=GU SF283

Unfortunately the Gunze stuff has to come from overseas. I've been using Lucky Model. If they have it in stock, they're pretty quick. They are out of the dissolved putty at the moment, but it's not holding up any builds so I am fine.

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Posted by Tucohoward on Thursday, August 12, 2010 5:19 PM

Sprue Brothers has all the Mr. Surfacer products. Mr. Dissolved Putty is the next thicker stuff after Mr. Surfacer. 500, but still a liquid.

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Posted by mucker on Thursday, August 12, 2010 5:36 PM
That's good to know, Tucohoward. Sprue Bros. is awesome!!!

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Posted by Killjoy on Thursday, August 12, 2010 6:36 PM

Sprue Bros is also sold out.  Sad

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Posted by mucker on Thursday, August 12, 2010 11:22 PM
Bummer. Killjoy. Whatever you do, DON't order Gunze acrylics for airbrushing....you'll be hooked. I have been replacing slowly my entire lineup with this stuff. It just spray so nicely!

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Posted by Killjoy on Friday, August 13, 2010 12:00 AM

I already have 3 different acrylics I use (Tamiya, Goldens, and Vallejo), and am ver happy with these.  Mainly I am looking for better putty, and better surface prep stuff.  That's what got me started on Mr. Surfacer.

Chris

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Posted by arnie on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:40 AM

Is it OK to decant the spray can Mr. Surfacer?  I find I have alot more control with the A/B rather than spraying.

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Posted by batai37 on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:50 AM

Killjoy

Sprue Bros is also sold out.  Sad

MidTenn Hobbies also carries Gunze Sangyo products, and they currently have Mr. Dissolved Putty in stock:

http://store.midtennhobbies.com/gunze-sangyo-mr-dissolved--putty-40g----p119-p2673.aspx

Ditto on the Mr. Surfacer line, especially as a primer.

 

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Posted by batai37 on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:53 AM

arnie

Is it OK to decant the spray can Mr. Surfacer?  I find I have alot more control with the A/B rather than spraying.

Sure.

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Posted by batai37 on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:53 AM

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Posted by DoogsATX on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:09 AM

This entire thread makes me very happy! I just so happen to have a bottle of Mr Surfacer 1200 speeding its way to me from Sprue Brothers (with a bottle of Talon Aluminum and a Zvezda Lavochkin La-5 to keep it company). Looking forward to playing around with it!

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Posted by Killjoy on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:47 AM

arnie

Is it OK to decant the spray can Mr. Surfacer?  I find I have alot more control with the A/B rather than spraying.

Sure, why would you want to?  Buy a bottle of Mr. Surfacer, and thin it for AB.  Goes a long way, and you can brush it onto a specific area for surface prep if need be.

Thanks to batai37 for the link to Mid-tennessee hobbies!

Chris

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Posted by Wabashwheels on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 11:26 AM

I just got some from: 

http://mfpilot.com/

Nice little website, takes paypal.  Rick

 

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Posted by batai37 on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:03 PM

Wabashwheels

I just got some from: 

http://mfpilot.com/

Nice little website, takes paypal.  Rick

I've bought from him several times, good seller.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:13 PM

Good Stuff...

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Posted by batai37 on Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:17 PM

Killjoy

Thanks to batai37 for the link to Mid-tennessee hobbies!

Chris

Welcome. Smile

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Posted by DoogsATX on Saturday, August 21, 2010 10:20 AM

My Mr. Surfacer 1200 finally showed up yesterday. Don't know why past orders from Sprue Brothers have tended to show up in 2-3 days, and this one took 6, but whatever...

Hit the Dauntless and its associated subassemblies (dive flaps, landing gear, engine cowl) with the stuff last night and, WOW. I had a little bit of dusting, probably from spraying too far away, but a quick swipe of 2000 grit took it right down. 

Overall coverage was good, but it felt a bit thick for my Iwata HP-C Plus. Think next time I prime I'll push it through the old Paasche H.

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Posted by batai37 on Saturday, August 21, 2010 4:12 PM

Are you using a .35mm tip with the Iwata? I've found that for general airbrushing the .5 tip is better...either that or thin the 1200 more if it isn't spraying smoothly. Thinning it to the consistency of skim milk using a .5 tip on my HP-CS is what works for me. I think you'd really have to thin it down even more for it to spray smoothly using a .35 tip.

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Posted by DoogsATX on Saturday, August 21, 2010 8:22 PM

batai37

Are you using a .35mm tip with the Iwata? I've found that for general airbrushing the .5 tip is better...either that or thin the 1200 more if it isn't spraying smoothly. Thinning it to the consistency of skim milk using a .5 tip on my HP-CS is what works for me. I think you'd really have to thin it down even more for it to spray smoothly using a .35 tip.

0.3mm...it wasn't so much that it was clogging (well, except for once), rather that it seemed to take a lot more effort to push the paint out. Spraying a full throttle put out the kind of pattern I'd expect if I drew back halfway spraying Tamiya.

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Posted by mucker on Monday, August 23, 2010 1:01 PM

When I was experimenting with the Mr. Surfacer, I had the "spiderweb" issues. I finally resolved this through thinning a little more with lacquer thinner and lowering the pressue to the AB.

Every once in a while it spray a tad dry and I use the 1200 paper as well. So far, this is the best stuff (Mr. Surfacer Base White 1000)  I've found as a base for white or bright colors. 

The dauntless is coming along nicely DoogsATX

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Posted by batai37 on Monday, August 23, 2010 7:39 PM

I've found that the Mr. Surfacer products perform better when thinned with Mr. Color Leveling Thinner as opposed to off-the-shelf lacquer thinner. Leveling thinner has a retarding agent in it that helps the surfacer level out and also helps to prevent tip dry. I use the OTS lacquer thinner for cleanup only.

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