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Tamiya Flat Base Troubles

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Tamiya Flat Base Troubles
Posted by Flyingfort on Tuesday, September 7, 2010 2:04 PM

I thought I knew how to use Tamiya's Flat Base, MX21.  Add the stuff to your primary color, thin it all out, and airbrush it on.  I did this a number of times with success.  I then mixed it with Tamiya Clear, MX22, in order to to get a nice flat coat to smooth out some different colors and some decals.  I didn't pay any real attention to the mixture ratio.  It worked fine.  The result was a nice flat surface that smoothed everything out.

 

A couple of days later I did the same thing with the Flat Base.  Again, I didn't pay much attention to the ration of Flat to Clear, but within minutes of airburshing it on, when it started to dry it became a white powdery finish.  When you wiped it off there was this white powdery residure on your fingers.  Fortunately I was able to wash it all off of the model using liquid dish detergent and water.

 

Can anyone help me out with what happened?  The first time worked fine.  The second time ws disaster.  Looking forward to your advice. 

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    October 2007
  • From: Scotland
Posted by Milairjunkie on Tuesday, September 7, 2010 2:26 PM

This is typical of what happens when too much Flat Base is added, or if it hasn't been mixed. The stuff is pretty potent, so it may pay to be more dilligent with your ratio. Swanny has an interesting article on his site that lists mixing ratios for Flat Base & Future, but it should carry over to paint;

http://www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html

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    June 2010
  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Tuesday, September 7, 2010 2:27 PM

I'm not certain, but I can hazard a guess.

When I was finishing up my Dauntless last week, I sprayed some Polly flat and had it spit white flecks all over the fuselages and upper wing surfaces.

Butz, I think it was, had the same problem with the same stuff awhile back, and turns out the white flecks come from too much flattening agent. I can't help but wonder if the white powdery stuff you're experiencing is similar. Or maybe that + a difference in factors. Spraying from farther away/wider nozzle/higher PSI etc? 

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  • From: Sydney, Australia
Posted by Phil_H on Tuesday, September 7, 2010 6:49 PM

When using X-21 Flat Base, you must pay close attention to  your mix ratios, especially when using it with Clear Gloss (X-22 or Future). Any less than about 4 parts of X-22 (or Future) to one part of Flat Base and it will often give you that "frosted" appearance. Often, if the "frosting" is mild, one can fix it by spraying a coat of clear over it.

If you were able to wipe/wash it off, it sounds like you had an awful lot of Flat base and very little Clear.

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    August 2010
Posted by Iain Hamilton on Tuesday, September 7, 2010 7:30 PM

I had a simmilar experience not long ago. I used Tamya dullcoat and ended up with a flat white disaster. I sought the advice of a friend and his advice work well. "Let it dry overnight, then re-shoot with the same dullcoat and be sure to do this in an invironment free of high humidity. Sure enough, the second shot of dullcoat completely eradicated the "frosty" appearance.

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