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  • Member since
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  • From: Nebraska, USA
Flat Clear not working
Posted by CallSignOWL on Monday, October 25, 2010 9:48 AM

I am trying to dull the finish on my F-16, but have brushed on both MM Acrylic flat clear, which didn't dull the finish,  so i tried Micro-scale Micro Flat, which didn't do anything either.  My Model is still glossy!   I did brush on the flat because I do not have my Airbrush here--do I need to airbrush this stuff to make it work? The bottles do say one can brush on the stuff, but I am on my third coat of flat clear and I can not tone down this finish!!  Tongue Tied

any help would be greatly appriciated!

 

OWL

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  • From: Tulsa, OK
Posted by acmodeler01 on Monday, October 25, 2010 9:59 AM

Hmm... the only thing I can think of that gave me a similar problem was not stirring the paint thoroughly enough before use. Did you stir it and/or shake it well enough?

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  • From: Indiana
Posted by hkshooter on Monday, October 25, 2010 9:59 AM

Airbrush it.
Alternative may be Testors Dull coat but it's strong as hell and may eat things if brushed on heavy. For a good flat finish it's my experience the only way to do it right is to spray it. You could rattle can the Dull Coat too but do so with very good ventilation and do it in light passes, not one heavy one.

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Posted by hkshooter on Monday, October 25, 2010 10:00 AM

Good one, Jon. I took for granted he stirred it well.

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Posted by CallSignOWL on Monday, October 25, 2010 8:24 PM

thanks guys...i feel like such a goof! I shook the paint up a bit, but a layer of goop didnt get mixed in. I quick swirl with a stiring stick fixed that problem. But now I have a new one. My plane is flat now, but it is kinda milky and has white flakes all over! It looks terrible. I dont know how to fix it, and I really dont want to strip it. I have decals on and everything. This was supposed to be the final, sealing coat.

here is what it looks like as of now:

any idea as to what I can do?? Being this close to finishing and f*king it up is rather heart breaking. Bang Head

 

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Posted by Boba Fett on Monday, October 25, 2010 8:39 PM

believe me, MM clear flat only works in the airbrush. I tried flattening down a semigloss T-34... Looked like pure gloss! (using a brush)

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  • From: Longmont, Colorado
Posted by Cadet Chuck on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 12:27 PM

I have found that the easiest and quickest route is to use the Testor's MM "Dull Cote" in the rattle can, but shake it real good, 5 minutes to be sure, and spray quickly and lightly.  If you get it on too heavy, it will puddle up and run causing the well known "curtain" effect, which will be difficult to clean up without wrecking the finish underneath.  You may need 2 very light coats, maybe not- a little goes a long way.

Sorry I have no suggestions for cleaning up the mess you now have.  I have never seen that happen before.

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 12:34 PM

One possible fix is to let what you have dry, then gloss coat it again until the color comes back and it is very smooth and glossy...then use rattle can dullcoat after you bring it to room temp and shake well...

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Posted by fermis on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 1:08 PM

I have had "dullcoat" go almost white on me before. Not in little spots like that though. The whole area was milky looking, another shot of dullcoat over that took care of it. Just like a clear coat over CA "fog". I think Manny's suggestion will take care of the problem,...but don't quote me on that!!!Wink

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  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 2:24 PM

Had the same thing happen to my Dauntless, Owl, only I was using Polly Flat. Apparently it's caused by too much flattening agent, and a coat of gloss should take care of it.

Wish I'd known that. I got mine out with some wet sanding. Ended up giving a really great worn/stressed look, too, so hey, new technique in the back pocket!

Alternatively, you could build a diorama with the F-16 parked under a tree stuffed with pigeons Stick out tongue

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  • From: Nebraska, USA
Posted by CallSignOWL on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 4:15 PM

Thanks for the responses. The coat is milky all over and appears to have little flakes in the coat...so a light sanding should hopefully get rid of that? then a gloss clear?

 

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Posted by CallSignOWL on Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:31 AM

Thanks Manny, your suggestion worked! The gloss coat brought back the color nicely. I guess I learned the hard way that MM Flat does not brush well.

 

OWL

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:37 AM

CallSignOWL

Thanks Manny, your suggestion worked! The gloss coat brought back the color nicely. I guess I learned the hard way that MM Flat does not brush well.

 

OWL

Great---glad to hear that.  I just now saw your question about pre-sanding.  Not sure if you did this but I would have answered, "no"...that runs the risk of getting too deep into your finish.  What you can do to get rid of those "flakes" or rough "teeth" is to use a very soft cloth (tishirt or diaper) that is clean and "polish" the surface before re-applting the gloss coat to bring the color back.  Usually a vigorous rubbing with a soft cloth will flatten out any rough areas that you would need to be concerned about...Yes

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Posted by CallSignOWL on Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:42 AM

yeah, I didn't want to use too rough of a sanding at all--I might loose paint and decals. As it were, I only used a 2000 grit sanding paper to get the rough stuff off.

OWL

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, October 28, 2010 10:18 AM

The wet sanding's definitely something to approach with extreme caution. With the Dauntless, I started with 6000 grit and worked my way down to 1200. But somewhere in my mind I thought it'd be a good idea to spray dullcote over the Polly flat (yeah...), so I had plenty of stuff between the paper and the paint (itself thinned with Future and thus pretty tough).

Wish I'd known about the whole "just put a gloss coat on it" solution...

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  • From: Chambersburg, Pa.
Posted by Bob H. on Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:01 PM

Hey guys, I just joined the FSM community. This is an interesting post. I just thought that I might pass on some info that helped me in this area. I do use the Testors MM Flat clear in the rattle can. I found that the light passes work best, but the secret for me seems to be getting the can warm before using it. After shaking it a LONG time, I set the rattle can in a container of  warm tap water for a few minutes. It seems to flow out of the can much more smoothly and it really lays out nicely. ( re shake it a little before spraying ) Later,         Bob H.

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