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Help! !@#$&? Primer

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dmk
  • Member since
    September 2008
  • From: North Carolina, USA
Posted by dmk on Friday, December 17, 2010 1:29 PM

Dan the Man
Any suggestions of how to get the primer through my airbrush?

I like to prime my models before I paint. Here's the way I do it.

1) Got to Walmart, Lowes, etc and buy Krylon gray or white primer in a spray can (you get a lot and it's very cheap compared to Tamiya, Mr. Surfacer, etc)

2) Decant just enough to cover your model to a small glass or metal jar (I use an airbrush jar). One can will do a lot of models and it will keep better in the spray can.

3) Let it de-gas a couple hours (probably 1hr would do, I leave it overnight with the cap just resting on top)

4) Put it in your airbrush straight (no thinner) and paint.

How do you decant some paint from a spray can?  It's easy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oteliqdTvgw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2NjMD3AW2A

 

 So now you are done with the jar of paint and the jar is all nasty with dried and gummy Krylon primer.

Get some Super Clean or Purple Power at your local Walmart. Fill a glass jar about the size of a mayonnaise jar about half full. Drop the jar covered with paint into it and let it sit a couple days. Take the small jar out (wear rubber gloves, this stuff is nasty to your bare skin) and rinse in tap water. Rub off any stubborn bits with an old toothbrush.  It should look like new again.

 

 

 

  • Member since
    November 2010
Posted by Dan the Man on Friday, December 17, 2010 12:58 PM

Thanks for all your input.  I learned a lot from my first plastic welding and seam repair.

1) avoid use of tape fences with plastic welding solvents.

2) avoid use of  tape fences with stop a gap.

3) if you do use tape, remove it nearly immediately after application of whatever..

4) work only a small portion of a seam at a time when welding .  Don't try the whole seam at once - 1/2-3/4 inch at a time.

5) do not allow stop gap to dry for too long before sanding, or it can cause a lot of extra work. 

6) do not use putty unless there is a very obvious blemish, ridge, valley or dent.  Most seams can vanish with the use of stop a gap.

7) Do not brush on welding agents; use a fine tip applicator

8) you have to experiment, be patient and not get frustrated when you are teaching yourself something new.  We are only human, perfection should not be our standard the first time out.

Thanks again for all your input.

Completed: Confederate Squadron F6F Hellcat

On the Bench: Monogram TBD Devastator

On Deck: Likely a piece of German Armor.

 

  • Member since
    August 2006
  • From: Neenah, WI
Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Sunday, December 12, 2010 10:13 AM

Aztec...that's where it all starts to decline.

Perfect Seams

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

http://hawkeyes-squawkbox.com/

 

 

"Its not the workbench that makes the model, it is the modeler at the workbench."

  • Member since
    October 2005
  • From: Maryland
Posted by usmc1371 on Sunday, December 12, 2010 9:39 AM

Use lacquer thinner with Tamiya's Primer.

I would spray the entire model with primer not just the seam repair area.

I would suggest using CA gap filling glue the next time you need to repair a seam.  It's very easy to use, quick and flawless once cured.

Lastly, you cn brush paint some enamel silver paint over the seam to verify it's smooth.  The silver paint will show any imperfections.  Remove the silver paint with thinner or Testors Paint and Decal Remover.  That stuff won't harm the plastic at all.

-Jesse

  • Member since
    August 2005
  • From: Sydney, Australia
Posted by Phil_H on Sunday, December 12, 2010 9:22 AM

Bronto
Tamiya surface primer is a lacquer, and will not thin with alcohol.  Use lacquer thinner for thinning. 

It is a lacquer, but it can be thinned with ethyl (denatured) alcohol. It cannot be thinned with Isopropyl alcohol though.

It can be airbrushed when thinned with denatured alcohol or Tamiya's own lacquer thinner. I've done it without any issues.

  • Member since
    May 2007
  • From: CLEVELAND OHIO
Posted by treetopper on Sunday, December 12, 2010 9:05 AM

the only thing i can offer is how i use the tamiya primer.  i put some tape on eaither side of the spot you want to put the primer. put the primer on with a brush and take another brush dipped in tamiya laq thinner to smooth it ouit .then sand with a higher grit paper i was told by a tamiya rep the primer is not meant to be used with a airbrush hope this helps some

  • Member since
    November 2004
  • From: Cat Central, NC
Posted by Bronto on Sunday, December 12, 2010 8:29 AM

I see 2 problems here.  First, Tamiya surface primer is a lacquer, and will not thin with alcohol.  Use lacquer thinner for thinning.  Second, 30 PSI is way way too high a pressure to be spraying.  Lower the pressure to about 15 PSI.

  • Member since
    November 2010
Help! !@#$&? Primer
Posted by Dan the Man on Saturday, December 11, 2010 2:13 PM

I tried my first real seam repair.  I worked with Green Squadron.  I wet-sanded using 600, then 800 and finally 1,000 grit paper.  I eye-balled and ran a pointed sprue over the seam to make certain there were no ridges. I lightly sanded using a three grade nail file - 800, 4,000 and 12,000 polisher.   I then washed with a mild dish soap and warm water.  I then masked and stuffed tissue in the necessary areas. Finally, I rubbed down with a mix of distilled water and rubbing alcohol using a piece of cheese cloth (gauze-like material).  (All this I learned from searching in the "great forum".)  The seams seem (no pun intended) to be exceptionally smooth. 

I mixed Tamiya grey surface primer from a bottle with denatured alcohol to get a skim milk consistency.   I tried it through my airbrush (Aztek 4709 with the grey nozzle, 30 PSI and valve all the way open) and disaster! It wouldn't go through.  It clogged up right away.  I cleaned my airbrush, then broke it down and cleaned all the innards to get off the gunk.  (I soaked the grey nozzle (broken down), cup and airbrush for about two minutes in acetone and used a tooth brush to make clean.) 

Any suggestions of how to get the primer through my airbrush?  Different PSI?  Different thinner?  Different nozzle?

May I prime only the seams using a brush? (I don't care for a large sanding job which will likely occur of I brush the whole thing)

How long do you let primer dry before sanding? 

I intend on dry sanding with 1,000, then 2,000 and finally, a file meant for polishing nails.  This sound right?

Thanks in advance for all your help.

Completed: Confederate Squadron F6F Hellcat

On the Bench: Monogram TBD Devastator

On Deck: Likely a piece of German Armor.

 

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