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Harm in applying Future over Dullcote?

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    January 2011
Harm in applying Future over Dullcote?
Posted by Weerdo on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:38 AM

Greetings, I'm working on a model and have applied Testors spray Dullcote over my paint job with the intention of making it flat and protecting the paint from handling and what not. However, I'm quite supprised that it has rubbed/scratched off on some spots after what I thought was light and carefull handling. So I've done some research and have found that Future + a flate base makes a nice and durable finish to protect the paint underneath.

What I'd like to know is if I can be lazy and apply the Future mixture over the Dullcote OR if I should remove all the Dullcote first (with rubbing alchohol?) and then apply the Future onto the model. Would leaving the Dullcote on weaken the Futures ability to protect against handling or would it be just as durable?

  • Member since
    April 2004
  • From: UK
Posted by Jon_a_its on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 5:31 AM

Yes Future is very durable, even when flattened to mat finish

Don't know about dullcote specifically, never used it, but trying to remove any varnish will damage or destroy the finish you are trying to protect.

Make sure the model is clean first before applying future with Tamiya xf22 flatting agent added to it as below. Don't apply to the cockpit glass btw...

Google " The complete future " from Swannys models for all you need to know about future.

Consider mounting your model to a base as well?

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  • Member since
    December 2003
  • From: Indiana
Posted by hkshooter on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 8:35 AM

As stated, you cannot remove the dull coat. But you don't have to. Simply spray your Future/flat base mix right over it.

For future reference, to the best of my knowledge rubbing alcohol won't remove dull coat. Dull Coat is a lacquer and would require lacquer thinner to remove. Or maybe a good soak in Simple Green.

  • Member since
    December 2003
  • From: Indiana
Posted by hkshooter on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 8:40 AM

I'll add that flat finishes are typically more delicate than gloss ones once dry. The crystaline structure of the flat finish can be marred with abrasions or impacts, making the product look like white scratches or small glossy marks where it's been rubbed. It's still there, it's simply damaged. Any flat finish will do this to some degree, be it paint or clear coats. Tamiya flat paints are reallly bad about it in my experience, scratching at the slightest threat of a cause.

  • Member since
    April 2010
  • From: Somewhere in MN
Posted by El Taino on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 10:53 AM

My last 3 builds have been sealed with Acryl Clear Flat and Semi-Gloss thinned with Alcohol. Boy am I happy, I don't know why I didn't try this before.

 

As for your question, I don't think Dullcote (my favorite before discovering Acryl Flat via airbrush) is removable. I don't feel comfortable in the long run with Future, but that's me.

  • Member since
    January 2011
Posted by Weerdo on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:23 PM

Thanks all for the info. I was supprised to read (somewhere?) that the dullcote would come off with alchohol. But it makes sense that it would be more difficult then that. I remember doing a glossy enamel coating over some model kits several years ago and didn't have any problem with it at all, so it's good to understand that flats aren't as strong.

Now to clean up the scratched bits and start looking for some future.

  • Member since
    December 2003
  • From: Indiana
Posted by hkshooter on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 8:47 PM

You could simply spray your Future mix right over the scratched flat coat. It'll fill and hide just fine. Unless the scratch is through the paint, ofcourse.

 

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