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Using a Paasche H single action airbrush

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    February 2011
Using a Paasche H single action airbrush
Posted by Zackbot on Thursday, February 17, 2011 2:32 PM

Hi,

1st time post! I am having trouble getting a thin even coat of paint. I find the airbrush either doesnt spray at all or else it spays way too much creating puddles. :( what am I doing wrong?

I am using the #3 tip head, at 20 psi, with vallejo model color paint thinned with water. Any ideas how to gain control of this airbrush?

-Zach

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    January 2009
  • From: Central CA
Posted by Division 6 on Thursday, February 17, 2011 2:47 PM

The problem is it's single action instead of double action.

Single action needs enough air flow to suck the paint into the stream making it a nothing or everything device  where double action allows you  to regulate both the air and the flow of medium.

Top (gravity) fed AB do this with less effort than a side or bottom fed AB since the medium doesn't need to be pulled up into the air flow.

My first AB that I still have somewhere was the old $10 Testors with the jar on the bottom, aside from making a decent flame thrower all it did was blast paint everywhere, it was ok for an over all base coating but nothing else.

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    January 2010
  • From: Nebraska, USA
Posted by CallSignOWL on Thursday, February 17, 2011 3:08 PM

I use the Paasche H. The only tip I use is the #1, its smaller and allows for finer lines, and if I open up the nozzle I can get excellent coverage.  If you are getting puddles, try closing the nozzle, moving the brush farther away or changing the air pressure. I always have to fiddle with it a bit to get the right combination, but once i do, it sprays very well.

Another factor may be the paint you are using. I do not have experience with Vallejo, I use Model Master paints.

 

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  • From: Fullerton, Calif.
Posted by Don Wheeler on Thursday, February 17, 2011 5:31 PM

You should be able to get an excellent coat of paint with a Paasche H.  It is very popular with the guys who build cars.  Check out this page and you can see some freehand camo on a 1:72 spitfire done with an H.  A double action airbrush would just add one more variable for you to learn to control.  Try cranking the air pressure up to 25 or 30psi and practice on some empty bottles until you get a feel for it.  The adjustment on the H is very sensitive.  Make tiny changes.  You may have some junk in the nozzle.  There is more info on the H on my website.

Don

 

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    June 2010
  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:58 PM

Yeah, there can be a fine line between nothing and "whoah boy!" when it comes to the Paasche H, but in this case I think it's your paint. Or rather, your thinner.

When I first started playing with Vallejo (Model Color...never used Model Air), I tried thinning it with water. And it sprayed like water, pooling and running absurdly quickly, even with the control of a solid double-action brush.

There's actually a long thread about it from last August or September as I was trying to get Vallejo and Lifecolor to airbrush effectively.

Someone ultimately suggested using Future to thin Vallejo at a ratio of approximately 1:1. Tried it and it sprayed AMAZINGLY well. 

You may also want to make sure all your pathways are clear...needle, tip, siphon...just in case.

 

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Posted by ACESES5 on Thursday, February 17, 2011 10:03 PM

Zach: I 've been using my Paasche for over 30 years with no probluems I've never had the probluem your having. Try using less thinner and less pressure sounds like you may have paint to thin with to much air pressure this will make your paint puddle. I don't use Vallejo paint I use MM, Tamyia and poly Scale so I can't say if the probluem is the thinner but try less thinner see what happens. If this probluem persists pm me let me know your paint to thinner ratio.                  on bench Trumpater 1/32 F4F-3 Wildcat ACESES5  Welcome Sign                    

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Posted by Zackbot on Sunday, February 20, 2011 1:07 AM

Thanks everyone for all your help! I tried using Future as thinner and switched to #1 tip head and it works like a charm. My models have never looked so good!

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  • From: New Kent VA, USA
Posted by JJFlyer on Thursday, February 22, 2018 7:23 AM

does future also work for Testors paints?

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1/48 Revell bf109 g10

1/144 Revell Apollo Saturn V 

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unknown scale Revell sr-71 blackbird

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:11 AM

Future is used as a base for gloss coat for decalling. I never use Future as thinner.

My recommendation for you (since you're a beginner using an airbrush) is use Testors brand thinner. The last thing you want is a mess on your hands you can't fix. 

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    September 2012
Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:20 AM

If your "Testors" is enamel, use their thinner.

If your "Testors" is acrylic, it's pre-thinned. But you can try their acrylic thinner.

 

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  • From: USA
Posted by keavdog on Thursday, February 22, 2018 12:06 PM

I agree - it's the paint here.  I had a similar experience using model color for the first time last month and was really frustrated.  Acrylics in general dry so fast the muck up the tip.  I avoid them, but the really have the best dead flat.

Thanks,

John

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    January 2013
Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Thursday, February 22, 2018 9:09 PM

I use acrylics a lot and I have had no issues with tips drying up. You've just got to learn by trial and error on what works best and what doesn't. The paint : thinner ratio is different than enamels.

Most folks are so used to enamels, they just don't know how to work with acrylics. I agree, acrylics is a whole different animal. So many complaints/dislikes are abound - they're hard to work with, dries too fast, etc... The key is use the acrylic paint brand thinner. When I use Model Master acrylics, I use Testors Universal acrylic thinner. Same thing with Tamiya's acrylics - I use Tamiya brand thinner. I don't bother with the cheap subsitution for thinner. 

Do remember this: no two acrylic paint brands are alike. Mission Model paints are being touted the best line of acrylics out there.

 

 

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    April 2003
  • From: USA
Posted by keavdog on Friday, February 23, 2018 1:06 AM

I purchased the model color thinner when I bought the paint.  I can only assume it's a thinner for brush painting as it was a really thick consistancey.

I'd like to see a sticky page of best practices for types and brands of paints - would be very helpful.

Thanks,

John

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  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Friday, February 23, 2018 1:29 AM

JJFlyer

does future also work for Testors paints?

 

Yes, you can mix it in with Testors Acrylic or Tamiya paints for airbrushing. I have done it with both brands. 

 

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