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tip: film canister as siphon jar

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 8, 2004 8:57 AM
You can also find plastic tubing in used paint spray cans (be careful when you open them); these tubes do not dissolve in solvent paint. I#8216;ve had them for more than 10 years, and still use them. If you are very careful, you can bend the tube by applying heat to the part where you want to bend. I use an alcohol lamp or some times a heat gun. It takes a little practice. What Mike V says about Cut the bottom at an angle, is correct provided you cut it in a way that what ever the position you turn the cap it will not find a #8220;but joint#8221;.
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Posted by MusicCity on Saturday, January 24, 2004 1:04 PM
QUOTE: I forgot to mention that T-shirt artists use acrylics exclusively.
I would imagine lacquer would attack that plastic tubing now that I think of it. [;)

I think it is some sort of laquer. Whatever it is it's truly noxious! It sticks to lexan, it's flexible, dries almost immediately, and gives a headache that can't be beat Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by MikeV on Saturday, January 24, 2004 10:37 AM
MusicCity,

Thanks for the heads up. [:0]
I forgot to mention that T-shirt artists use acrylics exclusively.
I would imagine lacquer would attack that plastic tubing now that I think of it. Wink [;)]

Mike

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Posted by MusicCity on Saturday, January 24, 2004 6:42 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by MikeV

Another tip that comes from the T-shirt airbrushing community is to replace the stiff plastic inlet tubes on these bottles with the clear, soft, flexible tubing like they use on aquarium pumps and such.


But be careful what paint you use with that tubing :) I used to airbrush my R/C car bodies and used that trick a lot. One day my brush quit spraying, and when I opened the bottle the thinner in the paint had softened the tube enough so that the suction was letting it squeeze shut. It didn't disolve it, just softened it.
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Posted by MikeV on Friday, January 23, 2004 11:34 PM
Another tip that comes from the T-shirt airbrushing community is to replace the stiff plastic inlet tubes on these bottles with the clear, soft, flexible tubing like they use on aquarium pumps and such. They sell it at Lowe's Hardware and Home Depot by the foot. Cut the bottom at an angle so that you can put it all the way to the bottom of the container and yet still pick up paint. Wink [;)] Cool [8D]

Mike

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 23, 2004 9:20 PM
Hi guys, a couple of decades ago, yes in the 80´s I wrote a few articles in a model railroader magazine in Argentina, one of the tips was using 35 mm fotographic containers for fast color change. I best brand was Fujy film jars, other may be usefull too. for the siphon I use plastic tubing, either bougth with the nearest external diameter, or taken fron used spray can like air refresheners, of course after they are empty and all the gas is gone. the tubing they have, exactly fits into the badger 200 or 150 I have. Also use small diameter tubing obtaines in medical supply stores, or a friend doctor, for other smaller intakes in the airbrush like, Testor Aztec or JR (argentine made). It is good that people all over the world, arrive to very like simple and inexpensive solutions. To bend the plastic tube i order to obtain "any shape" that you need for a special purpose or an special spraying position, I use heat, either from a flame o a heat gun, will a little practice you´ll be making a few different siphons.

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Posted by MusicCity on Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:23 AM
Great idea. Something I also found useful is to bend the siphon tube in the bottles. They always go straight down toward the middle of the bottle, at least the Badgers do, but I seldom airbrush with my brush pointed straight and level. It's usually at about a 45^ angle so if there is only a small amount of paint in the bottle it's never enough to reach the tube.

The old-style Badger caps have a tube that can be pulled off (the newer style doesn't) so I scrounged a tube the same size, heated it with a heat gun and bent it at about 45^. I also trimmed it so it just barely clears the bottom of the bottle. That way when I paint at an angle it will slurp up the last litle bit in the bottle.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:08 AM
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Posted by styrene on Thursday, January 22, 2004 10:59 AM
Nice tip, limd21!

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tip: film canister as siphon jar
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 22, 2004 10:45 AM

The "tip of the week" on the current FSM home page prompted me to share how I convert 35mm film canisters to airbrush siphon jars. Sure, we all use them for paint mixing and temporary storage, along with a million other uses, etc... but here's how I make them part of my actual airbrushing setup.

During any given session, I like to swap among several different colors and though I have a couple of glass siphon jars that came with my airbrush (Paasche H), two isn't enough much of the time. Cleaning and refilling midstream is a hassle. Lots of you solve this by keeping many more glass siphon jars around for just this purpose, however, I never found a good local source for these jars (though they are readily available online through the major airbrush retailers.)

I ran into a post in another forum where somebody had converted 35mm film canisters to siphon jars by cannibalizing the siphon tube and atttachement from an "official" jar and adapting them to the plastic lid of the film canister. "Great Idea" I thought, but getting those parts alone is even harder than finding complete siphon jars.

Being one who likes to tinker, and the fact that a siphon jar is a decidedly low-tech piece of equipment, I thought I could just make my own. For my Paasche H, the fitting that slides into the base of my airbrush needle is just slightly smaller than 3/16". Just about every hobby shop in the world is going to sell lengths of 3/16" (OD) brass tubing. I cut sections of tubing about 2 3/4" long and chucked it up in my power drill. With the drill clamped in a vice, I used a flat metal file to shave away an ever-so-slightly tapered tip about 1/2" long. This is just like turning a part on a lathe. In just a couple of minutes of repeated filing (turning) and test fitting, I could get a very nice "taper fit" of the brass tube into the base of the airbrush needle.

I then put a bend in the tube so the tapered tip is about 3/4" long and just shy of a full 90 degrees relative to the long section of tubing. (See note on bending below.)

I drilled a hole in the top of a 35mm canister that is slightly smaller than 3/16" (I used 5/32'"), and a smaller 1/16" vent hole. I pushed the tube though the larger hole, it makes a reasonably secure "press fit". Voila! 5 minutes of work and maybe a $0.15 worth of brass tubing produces a very serviceable siphon jar. I cranked out 6 of these things in less than 30 minutes. I don't try to secure the tube into the lid beyond the simple friction fit because 1) it's secure enough, and 2) it makes pulling it apart trivial for cleaning.

Note: Bending the tubing without kinking can be tricky, but I happen to have a tubing bender from my collection of car tools which is intened to bend steel brake lines. RC airplane modelers (I'm sure there are a few here) have other techniques they use to bend tubing. In the end, some minor kinking is perfectly OK as long as it's not severe enough to significantly restrict the flow of paint. I've even got one that I bent purely by hand where I straightened out the kinks with a bit of light hammer work. It looks a bit crude, but works just a good as the pretty ones.

3/16" tubing is fine for my Paasche, but other brands may need other sizes. Just make sure the ID is small enough so that when you taper the tubing, there is still enough material to fit into the airbrush! ID < airbrush hole < OD
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