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Why can't I find Tamiya paints anywhere anymore?
Posted by Fatalgrace on Tuesday, September 6, 2011 7:29 PM

Everywhere I look , including Tamiya USA is nearly out of stock. Are they going out of production or something?

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Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, September 6, 2011 7:47 PM

Due to the Tsunami, they are having production difficulties. Hopefully all will be better soon.

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Posted by Phil_H on Tuesday, September 6, 2011 7:58 PM

tigerman
Due to the Tsunami, they are having production difficulties. Hopefully all will be better soon.

Actually, they are in the process of altering product labelling to conform with US labelling requirements.

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Posted by Shipwreck on Wednesday, September 7, 2011 8:42 AM

Last month a Tamiya USA rep told me that they expect to be importing paint again by November, 2011 or sooner! The stated problem was the labeling issue.

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Posted by dood_dood on Wednesday, September 7, 2011 8:50 PM

That's good news.  I've been looking for an answer of some kind since last winter.  Lately, I have had some (mixed) luck with ebay.

I thought I noticed that Great Models had a restock of the long awaited x-20 thinner sometime last week, too.

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Posted by richardzoo84 on Thursday, September 8, 2011 10:27 AM

I ordered Tamiya paints from England a few days ago. I will let you know how the order goes. Stores over seas are really well stocked.  Keep looking around and you will find them.  Good Luck. November can't get here soon enough. 

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Posted by atlrus on Friday, September 9, 2011 6:32 AM

Phil_H

Actually, they are in the process of altering product labelling to conform with US labelling requirements.

 

I think this is a big lie. Have you seen the labels on Mr Color?!? There is not one word in English other than the name of the color...If Tamiya had labeling issues, Mr. Color should've been pulled off the market years ago.

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Friday, September 9, 2011 6:53 AM

If you guys are still having trouble getting the stuff, I would be more than happy to try & help (obvious I suppose).

The shipping cost on single order makes things pretty expensive, but if there are a few of you who know each other, I could combine orders to save on the shipping. The only real complication would be that it would have to be shipped to a single address.........................

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Posted by GreenThumb on Friday, September 9, 2011 2:25 PM

atlrus

 Phil_H:

Actually, they are in the process of altering product labelling to conform with US labelling requirements.

 

 

I think this is a big lie. Have you seen the labels on Mr Color?!? There is not one word in English other than the name of the color...If Tamiya had labeling issues, Mr. Color should've been pulled off the market years ago.

If it has lead in the paint, which I am assuming the labeling issue is addressing, then that is why. Maybe the Mr. Color has no lead or possibly it just hasn't been scrutinized yet?

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Posted by tigerman on Friday, September 9, 2011 2:29 PM

Phil_H

 

 tigerman:
Due to the Tsunami, they are having production difficulties. Hopefully all will be better soon.

 

Actually, they are in the process of altering product labelling to conform with US labelling requirements.

My apologies.

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Posted by gregbale on Friday, September 9, 2011 3:47 PM

I got an email notification from Scalehobbyist.com about 20 minutes ago saying the X-20A thinner is back in stock. Maybe that's a sign that the floodgates are opening.

Greg

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Posted by dood_dood on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:14 PM

How did the order from England go, and if well, what was your source?

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Posted by EBergerud on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 3:04 AM

Labeling problem? Wonder if this goes back to the argument a year or so back about whether Tamiya paint should really be treated as or even considered as an acrylic. Adam Wilder wrote a bit for Armorama (as I recall) and he argued that Tamiya users should realize that the solvents used in Tamiya were complex stuff and it really crossed the border into lacquer territory. (Tamiya puts them in spray cans but are the largest maker of lacquers in the model market.) The top paint guru at a place called Hobbywave which specializes in figures and sci-fi is a Gunze junkie and says the same about Mr. Color. Let's face it - Tamiya and Gunze look, smell and act differently than water based acrylics like Vallejo. I have maybe twenty bottles of Tamiya and will use each one of them - but I certainly think Wilder was right about using Tamiya lacquer thinner on them. (Here, for once, you wouldn't go bulk. Some hardware store lacquer thinners would attack some plastics fast. They're good at cleaning an air brush though. Tamiya and Gunze both make lacquer thinners that are more civilized.) Or maybe the letters are too small or somebody missed a semi-colon. We're dealing with th egovernment.

 

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Posted by atlrus on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:18 AM

Yeah, I am not buying the whole labeling problem rumor...

Looking realistically at it - how long does it take to reset the labeling machine to print a new label?!? Certainly not a whole year. Keep in mind that there is no recall on the paints to be re-labeled or otherwise, so all they have to do is just print new lables for the new paint.

Something is certainly going on and the fact that Tamiya is so hush about it doesn't make me feel good. Not a word (officially) from Tamiya on why there is no paint or when new shipments will arrive. The whole story is very suspect...

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Posted by Shipwreck on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:04 AM

atlrus

Looking realistically at it - how long does it take to reset the labeling machine to print a new label?!? Certainly not a whole year.

But, it may take more than a year for our government to make up its mind. I understand that Tamiya has changed the labels once, then our government changed the rules. Tamiya maybe a bit gunshy.

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Posted by richardzoo84 on Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:07 AM

I received an order for two X-20A Thinner yesterday. The label is brand new and in english. The thinner smells different. I have some of the old thinner and the new smells like strait Isopropyl Alcohol. When I smelled it I just about fell over. I will try spraying it and will let you know how it works out. I really hope the paints don't change to much. 

I have ordered paint from the UK and it seems to work just fine.  I would be a real shame if the US paint was different. 

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Posted by Medicman71 on Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:25 AM

GreenThumb
 

I think this is a big lie. Have you seen the labels on Mr Color?!? There is not one word in English other than the name of the color...If Tamiya had labeling issues, Mr. Color should've been pulled off the market years ago.

 

If it has lead in the paint, which I am assuming the labeling issue is addressing, then that is why. Maybe the Mr. Color has no lead or possibly it just hasn't been scrutinized yet?

I was at HobbyTownUSA last month and the owner said that as far as Tamyia goes, it was the earthquake and labeling that set them back. He also said that, with regards to Mr Color, Mr Surfacer, etc., that because of the labeling that he couldn't get any more than what he had on stock and he couldn't display them. He said that Texas law doesn'y allow it to be sold with the current labels.

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Posted by montague on Wednesday, September 21, 2011 12:33 AM

And that is why you should buy American, like Testos Model Master range. Great paint and has all the colors. Why fret over Tamiya that is inpossible to brush and is only in a relatively few colors or Mr. Hobby that almost no one sells on the shelf? Model Master is available everywhere and is a good product. I think is all comes down to paint snobbery, That anything domestic can't be any good, we can only use an import! People who use Testors have no worries or porblems and the labels are english.

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Posted by jeffpez on Wednesday, September 21, 2011 6:49 PM

Our local Hobby Town just received the new spray cans of white primer. The label is in English and has extensive health warnings. The clerk said her distributor is finally receiving shipments of Tamiya paints and she hopes to be re-stocked soon.

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Posted by TD4438 on Wednesday, September 21, 2011 7:09 PM

gregbale

I got an email notification from Scalehobbyist.com about 20 minutes ago saying the X-20A thinner is back in stock. Maybe that's a sign that the floodgates are opening.

Greg

Don't say flood!Zip it!

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Posted by buff on Wednesday, September 21, 2011 7:16 PM

The shops up here in Montreal are full of Tamiya paints, including the new releases, and some Tamiya products like the textured paints that we've never seen before.  One of the lhs taped the letter they received from Tamiya on the Tamiya paint rack.  It claimed it was a labelling issue.  Either Tamiya lied in a letter to a vendor, or there really was a labelling issue in the States.

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Posted by TD4438 on Wednesday, September 21, 2011 7:24 PM

I remember my LHS owner telling me of Tamiya labeling issues over twenty years ago!

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, September 21, 2011 7:25 PM

montague

And that is why you should buy American, like Testos Model Master range. Great paint and has all the colors. Why fret over Tamiya that is inpossible to brush and is only in a relatively few colors or Mr. Hobby that almost no one sells on the shelf? Model Master is available everywhere and is a good product. I think is all comes down to paint snobbery, That anything domestic can't be any good, we can only use an import! People who use Testors have no worries or porblems and the labels are english.

I agree with some but not all of this. Testros does make a good product and it is superior to Tamiay for brush painting any day of the week. But Tamaiya is acylic (for those who prefer that), airbrushes better, and has better quality control. I have yet to open a bottle of Tamiya paint that turned into an unusable  rubbery glob. That has happened to me more times with Testors paint than I can count. Testors acylics are not as good as other US made lines PollyS/Polly Scale, but since testors gobbled those up they are gonna go away...

 

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Wednesday, September 21, 2011 7:42 PM

I've used Testor's MM enamels for many years, then tried using Tamiya acrylics for a while.  They are OK and I like that they clean up with water, but I have had difficulty with masking tape pulling them off.  With the added availabilty problems lately, I figured I don't need that additional complication.

After a long period of experimentation, I have decided to go back to Testor's Model Master Enamels.

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Posted by EBergerud on Thursday, September 22, 2011 3:11 AM

I think Tamiya is a splendid paint in many ways. But it does seem that some folk don't read the labels. I don't know what the exact brew is that suspends the Tamiya pigments but it's a lot more than water. Because it will clean up with water means only that - it cleans up with water. After a long thread a year back or so (this might have been on ProModeller/Flory Models) most folks agreed with armor guru Adam Wilder in an article he wrote that Tamiya works better with Tamiya lacquer thinner. He is right - no question. A20 will do the job for standard airbrushing, but if your want to avoid clogging at low psi/light coat painting lacquer helps it lay down far better. As I noted earlier in this thread, if you don't believe me smell the stuff. It's simply different paint from a water based acrylic like Vallejo or (sadly not in USA) Revell Aqua Color. As also noted, if you're willing to walk the extra mile quality artist acrylics like Golden Fluid are terrific paints for both brushing and airbrushing when mixed with the right mediums.

I don't know why, but I've become a paint collector. $2.50 seems likes peanuts at any time, so every order means I pick up a few. So I've got them all. (BTW: I heartily agree that PollyScale Railroad paints are the best US acrylics and only lack the neat Euro bottles to put them up with the best period.) I think MM acrylics are good paint. But I've only used them in conjunction with acrylic mediums. I heard that they were prone to come off with masking tape. So on the underside of a FW I painted MM Lichtblau (lovely color) but added a little GAC 200 which is a hardener available at any art store along with a blizzard of acrylics mediums that will allow you to customize your paints greatly. The stuff works great.

That said, there's good reason beyond simple curiosity to like mastering water based acrylics. All of those solvents that hold Tamiya and Gunze together evaporate while you use them and join the air you breath. (Not that water based are "safe" because they have fine pigments in the air, so I suppose a mask is always a good idea.) And yes Tamiya has fine quality control, but I'd bet that bad bottles come from bad storage, not bad production.

Tack on another reason. Companies like MIG and AK are making a mint selling filters, washes etc that could easily be largely duplicated if one understood the mediums they employ. (Abteilung oils per volume are as expensive as the best grade artist oils: but they come in model colors and probably are designed for workability and fast drying over deep color. Hats of to MIG, but it wouldn't take much to make your own brew once you figured out what was going on.)  

I wouldn't consider lacquers or enamels for painting, no matter how good. (I do rather like enamels for weathering: think AK Interactive may be right in arguing that you can do anything with them that folk do with oils without the long drying times.) But if you're going to us a water based acrylic, do not thin it with water more than maybe 20%. (I'd put some stuff called "Flow Aid" and "Retarder" into distilled water: it does help for smoother coats and slows drying a little.) If you want to use a water based acrylic very thin and spray at low PSI use "Airbrush Medium" available at art stores. (One bottle will last a very long time. All mediums are cheap per volume.) It's a kind of very thin polymer that will not break down the molecular glue of the paint the way too much water will do: also helps keep the pigments suspended. You could get an equivalent effect by cutting paint with water based "satin", "matte" or "gloss" that you can find from MM or Vallejo. (They're all white and dry clear. Artist mediums simply cost about 5% what you'd pay for the others and work the same way.)

There are alternatives.

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Posted by atlrus on Thursday, September 22, 2011 6:45 AM

If I had no children I would certainly use Mr Color, no question, but right now I am stuck with acrylics as the "safest" paint and for me Tamiya is the best all around paint, including the best value for the money. I do have a whole bunch of Testor and MM, which I got from Hobby Lobby a long time ago, but the quality (and price) comapred with Tamiya is still unmatched.

To be perfectly honest, I really have no issue with Tamiya hand-brushing, except for white (xf-2), but considering I do mostly armor, 95% of the model is airbrushed anyways and Tamiya airbrushes like a champ.

What I have issue with is the way they misinformed their customers, as well as the real possibility of formula change which could turn out to be a bad one. I still don't buy the labeling issue, unless the paint was harmful (contained lead, for example) and that "labeling" issue was actually a formula issue. And I certainly don't believe the earthquake was to balme, considering there were no supply disruptions anywhere else but in the U.S.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:04 AM

TD4438

 

 

Don't say flood!Zip it!

 

Just one of the joys of living in Chicago metro area.

Should be interesting to see if any paint changes made by Tamiya for the US market help or hurt their quality.

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Posted by vaw1975 on Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:36 AM

The paints are showing up all over right now. As does the X-20A, I just bought a whole bunch of paints and X-20A at Spruebrothers. It was a labeling issue and not the tsunami. But what the issue was is a MYSTERY! I am looking at a bottle of XF-71 which has been relabeled and an old one from last year and the labels are IDENTICAL!!

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Posted by KINGTHAD on Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:49 AM

What you are seeing out there right now is some stock Tamiya USA had left over at there place. So get-em while you can because they shipped everything they had and it will be some time before we see more.

BTW....it was a labeling issiue and the govt. turn down there new lable more than once. (red tape)

 

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Posted by Shipwreck on Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:01 AM

Eric, you seem to have a lot of experience with a lot of different paint. You mentioned your preference of enamel washes instead of oil washes over acrylic bases. Do you have any experience with acrylic washes over a cured acrylic base. I am trying to prove to myself that an acrylic wash on an acrylic base does not work. So far, it is working. I use Tamiya paint!

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