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Airbrush - badger 350 help
Posted by scall on Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:42 PM

 

Hi

Im starting to use a airbrush and after inital problems with using tamiya thinner with vallejo air (I dont use anything anymore) I now have two issues. First off is a soft question, how wet should the paint be on the model? Mine is very wet and quite glossy, Takes a long time to dry. For some reason, I thought it would be quicker

Secondly and this may be well related, is that Im not getting paint out unless I have alot of psi pressure. Im talking 35-40 +

All of this sound right?

 

thanks

 

 

 

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Posted by RESlusher on Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:54 PM

That's waay too high!  It sounds like your paint isn't thinned enough or your brush needs cleaning.  I run mine about about 15-20psi

With my Tamiya paints I thin them with rubbing alcohol to about the consistency of milk.  When it dries on my model it's dead flat!

 

Richard S.

On the bench:  AFV Club M730A1 Chaparral

On deck:  Tamiya Marder 1A2

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  • From: Fullerton, Calif.
Posted by Don Wheeler on Tuesday, November 22, 2011 6:20 PM

The 350 should spray fine with about 25 psi.  It sounds like your paint needs to be thinner and you are putting it on too heavy.   Don't try to cover with a single pass.  The paint should look wet as it goes on but dry almost instantly.

Maybe this page would be of some help to you.

Don

https://sites.google.com/site/donsairbrushtips/home

A collection of airbrush tips and reviews

Also an Amazon E-book and paperback of tips.

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Posted by stymye on Tuesday, November 22, 2011 7:26 PM

first of get some vallejo thinner !!!!! it's an acrylic medium with retarder ...

 YOU NEED TO THIN IT PROPERLY WITH THE CORRECT THINNER 

 

than see how it goes.

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Posted by scall on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 3:16 PM

some success with my new badger 100. Well to start with. Had 15 psi, and the coat dryed fine and very very quicky, however on the 2nd trial, still seems to wet and pooling. tried differnt paint /thinner/pressure levels with water, still the same.  Ive some vallejo thinner arriving soon, so I will try that. Would you recomend 1 part thinner 3 paint? more tups welcome :)

 

thanks

cml
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  • From: Brisbane, Australia
Posted by cml on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 4:57 PM

Hi scall,

15psi is about spot on for a Badger 100.

I've never airbrushed Vallejo, so unfortunately i can't comment on ratios, but when i use Gunze or Tamiya acrylics, i thin about 2:1 paint to thinner.  If i want to do detail work, i'll go about 1:1 and reduce psi to about 10.

Also, if you're getting pooling, there is way to much paint hitting the model.  You could:

1. shoot from further away (the issue that the paint is "too wet", as you've described, may be reduced by this), also, you'll get better coverage over larger areas;

2. reduce how much you open up the needle.  ie, the 100 being a dual action, don't pull the trigger all the way back, otherwise you're blasting as much paint as possible through the tip.  Just pull back 1/5 or 1/4 and see how you go.

Above all, don't give up and keep practicing!

Chris

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Posted by Phil_H on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 5:18 PM

scall
Had 15 psi, and the coat dryed fine and very very quicky, however on the 2nd trial, still seems to wet and pooling.

If it's wet and pooling, it could be that you're simply applying too much paint. Some paint colours are less opaque than others and will require application in multiple thin coats (allowing each previous coat to dry first) instead of trying to obtain full coverage in one pass/one coat.

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Posted by scall on Thursday, November 24, 2011 7:42 AM

I think that is nail on the head! Practise.....

ill try again this evening and Ill go slowly, rather then rush like I probably have been. I had no real expectations on how much coverage I could get in 1 pass, so Ive probably heaped it on. The first attempt I was very conservative and cagey, however sounds like it was the right approach!



As im here...on another note with my 100. Ive the small colour cup. Any items out there, were I can add an extension to the cup amounts?


thanks all, apprecaited


scall

cml
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Posted by cml on Thursday, November 24, 2011 6:23 PM

I agree, sounds like your "conservative & cagey" approach was indeed the way to airbrush.

When i a/b, it normally takes about 4 passes before it's opaque - more if i've pre-shaded panel lines. 

As for your 100, sorry, but i don't think there are any adaptors to increase the volume of a G cup.

If you need large volumes of paint, you might just have to make up your mix in a bottle, then use an eye-dropper to keep topping up the cup.

Chris

  • Member since
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  • From: UK
Posted by scall on Friday, November 25, 2011 4:59 AM


Yep

think making the paint in batches is the way to go and far simplier then trying to create an expansion tool! The best ideas are always the simpliest....never sure why I never think of them!

thanks for your help

appreciated

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Posted by scall on Monday, November 28, 2011 3:50 AM

quick update

 

using the advice on here, everything is working a treat! Nice coverage, dry times  etc. The vallejo thinners work great

 

thanks all

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