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  • From: Louisville, KY
Solvaset vs. Future
Posted by Builder 2010 on Sunday, August 5, 2012 10:42 AM

I've started using Future floor finish as the gloss coat prior to laying on decals. I like it because it's cheap, cleans up easily, has no offensive odor, and dries reasonably fast. My grandson and I are building the Trumpeter 1/32nd F-18E Super Hornet. 

I've been using Walther's Solvaset for years so thought nothing of using it on this model. The model has some very large decals.

Then the Solvaset fogged the Future finish! It basically wrecked it where ever it extended out past the decal. I never worried before about getting the Solvaset outside the decal's perimeter, but now I almost wrecked the model because of it. When I tried removing the fogged area — which was much lighter in shade also — it just made matters worse. And when I tried using the same paint that was used in the airbrush to do touchup, it too was a different shade. I'm hoping that it will be less noticeable when I spray the flat finish.

Has anyone else had this problem? If so, was there any way to fix the mess?

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  • From: Kingsport, TN.
Posted by 01JeepXJ on Sunday, August 5, 2012 10:51 AM

If this is the first time you've used Future, me thinks you have had a reaction between the 2. Can't recommend a fix to the problem but you could try a thin coat of Future over the area again. This might only brighten the whole area.

Dumb question. Was the Walthers necessary on the decals?

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Posted by f-4phantom on Sunday, August 5, 2012 10:55 AM

I've had the problem before and solved it by just applying future over the area.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Sunday, August 5, 2012 11:01 AM

I'm confused as to these being two alternatives to the same problem.  To me the future is just a gloss coat to let the decal sit closely to a matt surface without silvering, whereas Solvaset is a decal solvent to make a decal melt into compound curves, louvers, and other bumps.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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  • From: Louisville, KY
Posted by Builder 2010 on Sunday, August 5, 2012 11:20 AM
No confusion really. Future was used for anti-silvering and Solvaset was used to soften decals to snuggle into contours especially around tail. What about Microsol? Does it work better?
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Posted by gregbale on Sunday, August 5, 2012 12:20 PM

That fogging is terrifying the first time you experience it, but it's usually very easy to fix.

Anything with alcohol or even water in it can cause fogging of a Future undercoat--even one that is fully cured. Once the fogged area is dry, simply applying another coat of Future over it will usually make the fogging disappear instantly, as if by magic.

Good luck

Greg

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Posted by Italian Starfighter on Sunday, August 5, 2012 3:11 PM

Hi also gunze softener and microscale one's fogged on future...but when spray future again onto dry decals fog disappears.......try on an old model......Ciao Enrico.

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, August 5, 2012 3:22 PM

I encountered that same problem on a build last year. Folks here advised me to put another coat of Future over the affected area to clear it up. It works like a charm Yes

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Posted by Builder 2010 on Sunday, August 5, 2012 3:32 PM

That's terrific. I wish I put this question on the forum BEFORE I tried touching up the paint. But I will use this trick next time. Thanks to all for the quick response.

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, August 5, 2012 3:39 PM

Builder 2010
No confusion really. Future was used for anti-silvering and Solvaset was used to soften decals to snuggle into contours especially around tail. What about Microsol? Does it work better?

Micro Sol itself is a great product. But some decals are resistant to it I have found. In those cases, Solvaset works better as it is a stronger product.

 

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Posted by Builder 2010 on Sunday, August 5, 2012 3:45 PM

I actually I think I tried Microsol years ago and liked that Solvaset was stronger. Now that I have the secret to the fog problem, I will stick with Solvaset.

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, August 5, 2012 3:55 PM

Yes, I feel the same for those reasons. I still use the Micro Set/Micro Sol with Super Scale and Aeromaster decals and such. But as I learned the hard way with decals such as Cutting Edge, those are not enough and I call in the Solvaset. It is always good to have all the tools you need at your bench. I am not keen on doing another coat of Future over the decals if I do not have to do so.

 

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Posted by randypandy831 on Monday, August 6, 2012 9:58 PM

solvaset is strong.

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Posted by Reaper420 on Thursday, August 7, 2014 12:17 AM
I use both microset and microsol. The sol also fogs up the future. I like solvaset because it is stronger and requires less applications for more stubborn decals. It will also fog future. I was terrified when I first saw this this and almost tossed a model because I thought it ruined. After walking away from the bench and returning hours later, the fog had disappeared on its on. Of course applying more future will also solve the problem alot faster. Anyone else experience this? The fog disappearing on its own or was I just lucky and experienced a modeling miracle?

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, August 8, 2014 12:31 AM

I have seen the fog disappear on its own with Micro Set/Micro Sol. Never with Solvaset.

 

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Friday, August 15, 2014 7:08 AM

Another resurrected thread LOL. Well let me throw my response in here. You must let Future cure for at least 24 hrs. I usually wait 2-3 days using overabundance of caution since a fogging incident. If you are in a rush and don't have the time to spare, then Alclad makes Aqua Gloss Clear which cures in a couple of hours after application.  

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