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anyone else have trouble with MM acrylic drying on side of your cup?

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mgh
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  • From: Utah County, Utah
anyone else have trouble with MM acrylic drying on side of your cup?
Posted by mgh on Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:32 PM

I have just recently been buying model paint rather than mixing up artists paints, and I will never go back.  Most of what I have is Tamiya, but I have to order it online as I can only find a few mini bottles where I live.  I thin the Tamiya with alcohol, and I think it works very well, very little tip drying and easy clean up.

I can find Model Master acrylic at Hobby Lobby, so picked up a bottle today.  I thinned it with distilled water (as I have read that many people do), and it sprayed well, but definitely dries more on the tip than the Tamiya.  Not a big deal if I am keeping the flow high, but with a very low flow, I would have to open it up an blow out the tip occasionally.

But what is a real PIA for me, is that it dries up very hard on the inside of my paint cup.  I have to really get in there and scrub to get it to break loose (lacquer thinner will of course break it down, but I don't like messing with something that hot).  Is this common for MM?  I have never bought any retarder, which sounds like just one more bottle of stuff to go out and buy and have on the counter.  

I like having a local place I can buy paint, but the problems with clean up may rule out the MM for me.  I understand Testors makes a thinner for their acrylic paints, maybe that would make a big difference in tip drying and clean up?

Thanks for any tips!

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Posted by corvettemike on Friday, March 1, 2013 6:18 AM

You should add a couple of drops of retarder to MM Acryl, it does have a tendancy to dry pretty fast be it AB or brushed.

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Posted by Hokey on Friday, March 1, 2013 7:40 AM

I too use MM and notice cup drying. Does MM make their version of retarder or what do u recommend?

mgh
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  • From: Utah County, Utah
Posted by mgh on Friday, March 1, 2013 8:30 AM

Same question as Hokey.  Will any retarder I find at Hobby Lobby work?  What (exactly) do you all use?

Thanks!

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Posted by f-4phantom on Friday, March 1, 2013 8:38 AM

Simple solution. Buy Model Master Acryl Thinner. It has a retarder in it.

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Posted by Bick on Friday, March 1, 2013 8:59 AM

I usually just wet a facial tissue with acetone and wipe the inside/outside (yeah, I'm sometimes sloppy) with it. Works for me YMMV.

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Posted by Nathan T on Friday, March 1, 2013 9:39 AM

MM Acrylic dries fast. I scrub out my airbrush cup with windex and 91% rubbing alcohol. I use thier thinner plus a retarder from Liquitex. Its still a pain in the rear, so I pretty much no longer use it. I do like their flat clear, which works ok because its just general coverage, and I can finish spraying a model with it while only having to clear the tip once or twice. In no way would it ever be my go to paint. There's a video on youtube of Master Man Floyd Werner doing mottle camo on a 109 using MM acrylic. He's constantly cleaning the tip and dumping in retarder. His results are good (because He's god...) but it just looks like a total pain.

 

 

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Posted by Tankster on Friday, March 1, 2013 12:38 PM

MM acrylic does dry pretty fast and you do need to swab the needle with a thinner-dipped q-tip.  I use a couple drops of Future Floor polish and 1-2 Drops of liquitex flow aid.  It helps reduce clogging and makes the MM acryl dry harder so its less likely to pull up if you have to mask over it.  Pretty much all acrylics will dry fast, Tamiya will clog the tip eventually just not as fast a Vallejo or MM Acryl.  

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Dre
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Posted by Dre on Friday, March 1, 2013 12:49 PM

I find that it dries to touch very quickly, but I don't have much issue with it drying in the siphon bottle.   Sometimes I have a small issue with tip drying, but nothing that a moistened Q-Tip can't fix.

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Posted by patrick206 on Sunday, March 10, 2013 4:41 PM

The retarder is another thing to buy, yes, but it really does make the airbrushing process go predictably much more efficiently and with consistent results. I've used Golden and Liquitex, don't see much difference. I think lacquer thinner makes it dry faster in all respects, I use it only for cleaning. For some time I tried the usual fixes, dish soap, water, alcohol, windshield washer fluid and retarder, I've settled on water/alcohol and retarder used with Tamiya and MM acrylic. Alcohol for initial cleaning, lacquer thinner for final cleanup. While spraying, the occasional Q-tip and alcohol or lacquer thinner swipe at the tip helps a great deal, for me. I have used Tamiya brand thinner, both lacquer and normal in the past, but it's pricey, small quantity and no more effective than what I'm seeing for results now. You probably are aware, the temperature in your spray area can really affect the drying of any paint medium. I tend to keep my temp at about 70 degrees or slightly less.

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mgh
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  • From: Utah County, Utah
Posted by mgh on Sunday, March 10, 2013 5:41 PM

Patrick - the water/alcohol/retarder mix is what you use for your thinner?  I can't remember now if I have ever tried alcohol with MM paints.

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