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Posted by keilau on Wednesday, April 3, 2013 12:00 PM

OldNoob

I just picked this up from TCP Global. The complete kit cost $119.00 including airbrush with three sizes of needles. It included free next day shipping. It also comes with a 2 year warranty.

It is surprisingly quiet, especially compared to my porter cable 6 gallon oiless.

I got one of this from Northern Tools in Minnesota and it tested out quite well. It does not run as cool as the twin piston compressor from better brands, but is a very good deal for the money. With TCP's 2 years warranty, it should serve the modeler well. Here is the post about my test of the unit in 2011.

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Posted by OldNoob on Wednesday, April 3, 2013 2:03 AM

I just picked this up from TCP Global. The complete kit cost $119.00 including airbrush with three sizes of needles. It included free next day shipping. It also comes with a 2 year warranty.

It is surprisingly quiet, especially compared to my porter cable 6 gallon oiless.

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    March 2013
Posted by patrick206 on Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:10 PM

All prior info is good input and suggestions.

I bought my compressor / tank combination at a Schucks Auto Parts store, Sunday paper ad sale price was about US $40.00, goes up to 90psi, pressure regulator included. Nice feature is a valve located on the bottom, when done spraying opening the valve releases pressure directly downward, taking most water or residual mist with it. Then I leave the valve open until next use, tank can then completely dry internally. That prevents rust forming on the interior. Water trap is installed downstream in air outflow hose.

You'll find the absence of moisture and the steady flow of air to be among the most critical items in spraying, a simple diaphram compressor puts out "pulses" of air. On a spray pass of any length, you would see a wavy pattern of alternating narrow / wide dimensions, the tank allows for a consistent air flow pressure at the airbrush.

My setup is small, inexpensive and has worked without problems for several years, as long as what you buy has the right components, it doesn't need to be a sophisticated name brand. Just a suggestion.

Patrick  

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Posted by DUSTER on Tuesday, March 26, 2013 7:53 PM


In some ways this is like describing the color blue to a blind man; it can be done but you'll never know how much it helps, until you try.

To try to sum up:

1 you want an airbrush and a compressor

2 Money is an issue (your not alone there)

3 noise is less of a problem as you building in a basement

4  you're asking for advice  on  a combinations of airbrush  and compressor.

................My thoughts ( they are worth exactly what you've paid for them) 

 1 &2  

buy the best quality equipment you can afford for now;  knowing that, with experience and time you will, likely  "move up". Thus  at a later date, because your new  knowledge level and exuberance will be your guides.

Cheapest compressors    = no reservoir tank, no pressure gauge, no moisture trap, no adapter for the hose connection etc. etc.

As price goes up more of those items will be included or readily  available as add-ons for a discount.  

Result: look for deals/sales/ combinations on the internet and/or at brick and mortar stores for a compressor  having as much as you can get toward your current "ideal set up" 

3

noise is an issue as time goes on.  So the quieter the compressor ( or use of a sound dreading cabinet or ??) will pay dividends in your future,  as you age ( truefully we have-despite our denials) .   Besides, how you gonna hear your tunes if the compressor is too loud?

4

 So gather facts from the  web sites of manufacturers of compressors and air brushes ; make up a file so you can compare apples to apples  and then look for the deals at  your price range. then with those facts you can ask things of the forum about specific items 

Never the less, you are starting what is going to be a grand experience  of learning and doing and getting to share with others what you have done; all the while getting better and better.

We are all rooting for you and want you to succeed.Wink 


"Tools do not make a craftsman, but a craftsman makes the best of his tools, to create his art"

Steve

Building the perfect model---just not quite yet  Confused

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Posted by mitsdude on Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:11 AM

Lowes had this compressor for $50 right after Christmas. I know they still had a few as recently as late Feb.

These also come in handy as an occasional tire inflator.

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Posted by Bearcat57 on Monday, March 25, 2013 10:51 PM
"holy moly is that thing cheap,"

Those may well be your exact words not long after you get it too. At least the compressor has a 2 yr warranty...That airbrush is definitely something I'd stay away from... by the sounds of it I think it has great potential - to provide endless amounts of frustration (particularly for newcomers to airbrushing). No doubt a very inexpensive combo, but if it's going to be the source of a lot of hair-pulling, I think I'd save up a few more bucks first and use the time in the interim to do more research.

I definitely understand not wanting to spend more than you have to, but going too cheap runs the risk of souring your interest in the hobby forever.
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Posted by modelaircraftperson on Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:59 PM

And bick, thanks, holy moly is that thing cheap, and I can get it in under 4 months!  And nothing can beat that warranty!

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Posted by modelaircraftperson on Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:51 PM

No, noise is not really an issue, but the quieter the better, but if its loud, well, i'm in my basement.  

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Posted by Jester75 on Friday, March 22, 2013 9:22 AM

Wow, that is a pretty good deal.

Eric

 

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Posted by Bick on Friday, March 22, 2013 9:08 AM

I don't think you'll find anything that will fit your needs/wants any less expensive than THIS. Airbrush is an Iwata HP-C copy warranted for 1 year; compressor is guaranteed for 2 years and combo is $89.99 shipped to your house. There's a review of the airbrush HERE.

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Posted by Shawker on Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:11 PM

TDP on Ebay, I buy my compressors and airbrushes from them, great to do business with prices are good usually better then anyone else, plus you can get a brush and comp in one package deal with free shipping and no taxes.

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  • From: N. Georgia
Posted by Jester75 on Thursday, March 21, 2013 2:52 PM

So the amount of noise is not an issue?

Eric

 

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Posted by modelaircraftperson on Thursday, March 21, 2013 2:24 PM

Alright, since everyone is saying they need info, I will give some.  

It has to:

Work for a long amount of time, in minimum, 3 or 4 years and It has to be as cheap as possible

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Posted by Bick on Thursday, March 21, 2013 8:33 AM

modelaircraftperson

<snip>  If you know what works all I ask is that you be specific or you provide, a link!  The link is a lot easier for everyone because that saves a lot of work on my end, and a lot of typing and words just instead of 1 google search and a copy paste.  Just think it over, I really want to learn on here and want to become a valuable info source for other  people on here new to the hobby.  

Please look at my first response to you. There are two 'hot links' to two compressors made for airbrushing which I thought might fit the needs of a 13 year old (or anyone who didn't want to make a major investment in a compressor for airbrushing). Both are reasonably quiet/inexpensive. I used the Harbor Freight one for over three years without problems - I know it works. I have also used my Home Depot 'Husky' 3 gal contractor compressor but it is just too loud for MY airbrushing needs - but it works fine. Both the HF and Home Depot are in a similar priced range. If you can afford a more expensive one, Keilau posted a link to the Sparmax Stormforce -a great compressor for airbrushing. My choice would not be the contractor type compressor even though they do work for airbrushing because they are noisy whether from WalMart, Lowes, Home Depot or whatever.

People here are trying to help you - and to help a little more, here's a link to some youtube videos on Painting Model Aircraft.

I'm sure everyone here hopes that you become a valuable resource for others new to the hobby. As I said earlier, I would like t see you get some tools that make you a happy modeler - I've made some recommendations and posted links. If you don't like them that's fine too!

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  • From: N. Georgia
Posted by Jester75 on Wednesday, March 20, 2013 6:22 PM

I think we are all trying to help here to be honest. No one can paste a link to any one in particular because we don't know your whole situation. How much is noise a factor in your decision? Cost? I wouldn't recommend a Walmart compressor if you want to be airbrushing while people are sleeping in the house. Just the same, I wouldn't recommend a $300 hobby compressor if noise is not an issue but you are on a tight budget. I think everyone here is more than willing to post a link to something for you, but it would help if we had more information.

Eric

 

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Posted by modelaircraftperson on Wednesday, March 20, 2013 5:55 PM

If you look you will see I did, as a  member on air soft society forum, I know they would have said the same thing as you did, but in a nicer tone than you put it Bick, but from what I have seen of the forum, people are a lot more friendlier and I have looked some of the compressors up and find different models, years, prices, must I go on?  If you know what works all I ask is that you be specific or you provide, a link!  The link is a lot easier for everyone because that saves a lot of work on my end, and a lot of typing and words just instead of 1 google search and a copy paste.  Just think it over, I really want to learn on here and want to become a valuable info source for other  people on here new to the hobby.  

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Posted by Pawel on Wednesday, March 20, 2013 3:06 AM

Hello everybody!

If we're talking compressors, I'd like to show you this thing - best quality for the least money, but you have to do something yourself, too:

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/tools_techniques_and_reference_materials/f/18/t/151920.aspx

Hope it helps, have a nice day

Paweł

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

www.vietnam.net.pl

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Posted by Bearcat57 on Wednesday, March 20, 2013 1:08 AM
modelaircraftperson, I want you to get an Ingersoll Rand 30 h.p. (150 PSI) rotary screw w/120 gallon tank. This should handle pretty much any model-painting job you'll ever have.
Dre
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Posted by Dre on Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:07 PM

After burning out two Campbell-Hausfeld 1-gallon pancake compressors, I now use a Porter Cable 6-gallon pancake compressor from Lowe's that's supposedly rated for light commercial work.

It is not as loud as the C-H compressors, nor as inexpensive, but it is loud enough to be a problem for some.   But.....   it does provide as much, or as little, air as is needed for a paint job (and I can run a second AB from it as well).

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Posted by keilau on Tuesday, March 19, 2013 12:18 PM

modelaircraftperson

Well if you want me to get it then get a link and I will make my final decision.  Lets all be gentlemen here.

People here are trying to help you, not wanting you to buy anything. You need to get your parents to agree how loud your compressor can be if you are using it inside the house. Even if one of the tools compressor at Walmart did not sound that loud to you in the store (with high ceiling and open space), it may sound terrible to your family insdie the house.

The Sparmax TC-2000 compressor at Hobby Lobby is portable, quiet and runs cool. If you are in modeling for the long run, spend the extra money on quality tools, you will not regret it. Don't forget their 40% off coupon.

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Posted by Bick on Monday, March 18, 2013 5:46 PM

modelaircraftperson

Well if you want me to get it then get a link and I will make my final decision.  Lets all be gentlemen here.

I don't think anyone here WANTS you to get anything. I realize from your post in "Introduce Yourself" that you're only 13 years old but,  you've been given some links and some opinions. If you want the most help then be fairly specific about what you want. Is noise a problem? Will  you use the compressor only for airbrushing? What general budget do you plan? And, remember 'google' is your friend - you can find lots about airbrushing on YouTube, you can find compressor reviews from the various sites that sell them. You can use a computer so go to the WalMart site and look at their Cambell Hausfield compressors then come back here and ask questions. I'd sure like to see you get something that works and makes you a happy modeler -do a little research on your computer - including doing a 'search the community' search here for airbrushes and compressors. Stick with it.

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Posted by OldNoob on Monday, March 18, 2013 5:00 PM

My Porter Cable airless is about to driving me insane , it's just too loud.

the 6 gall pancake tank is nice but i will definitely have to get something quieter for the inside.

I understand the  ROLAIR JC10 is very quiet.

The following link is to a video with a modified A/C compressor. it's actually very nice and not to loud.

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Posted by modelaircraftperson on Monday, March 18, 2013 3:33 PM

Well if you want me to get it then get a link and I will make my final decision.  Lets all be gentlemen here.

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  • From: Windy city, US
Posted by keilau on Monday, March 18, 2013 1:24 PM

Jester75

keilau

dirkpitt77

Another vote here for that Campbell Hausfeld compressor. Pretty happy with mine, except it does get noisy. Definitely easier on the budget though.

I vote against the Campbell Hausfeld compressor from Walmart. Too loud in noise for indoor airbrush use unless you live alone in a big house. Too weak to do any useful household job around the house except pumping bike tires.

I respectfully disagree with you on your second point. I have done tons and tons of finish nailing with my Walmart compressor and it works excellent for that. Of course, I wouldnt attempt to tear down a small block Chevy with air tools using it, but there are many other common uses .

That being said, they do make some some noise so definitely take that into consideration before you buy.

Eric,

If you are happy with your Campbell Hausfeld compressor, that's all it counts.

I have a 1-HP Craftman oiled compressor which has 3-4 times the airflow of the Walmart Campbell Hausfeld compressor. The Craftman can be used with a small nail gun without long waits (10-20 seconds) in between nails. The Craftman is good for house paint spray gun too. But is still too low powered for most other air tools. Anyone who is interested in getting a compressor for doing handy work around the house should do the home work to match the compressor spec to the airflow requirement of the airtool before purchase.

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Posted by Bick on Sunday, March 17, 2013 4:47 PM

I agree with Eric. If noise (and, with my Home Depot 'Husky', lots of noise) isn't a problem those not-to-expensive  pancake compressors work fine for airbrushing - and - for filling CAR tires as well as bicycle, for air nailing (a contractor doing some repair work for me forgot his and used my Husky and it worked quite well for the 4-5 hours he used it - me, I don't know how to use a nail gun), for blowing swarf off metal working tools and, for loaning to your neighbor who doesn't have one. Noise, for me, was the reason to get a real airbrush compressor. But if noise isn't a problem, they work fine.

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  • From: N. Georgia
Posted by Jester75 on Sunday, March 17, 2013 2:53 PM

keilau

dirkpitt77

Another vote here for that Campbell Hausfeld compressor. Pretty happy with mine, except it does get noisy. Definitely easier on the budget though.

I vote against the Campbell Hausfeld compressor from Walmart. Too loud in noise for indoor airbrush use unless you live alone in a big house. Too weak to do any useful household job around the house except pumping bike tires.

I respectfully disagree with you on your second point. I have done tons and tons of finish nailing with my Walmart compressor and it works excellent for that. Of course, I wouldnt attempt to tear down a small block Chevy with air tools using it, but there are many other common uses .

That being said, they do make some some noise so definitely take that into consideration before you buy.

Eric

 

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Posted by keilau on Sunday, March 17, 2013 2:46 PM

dirkpitt77

Another vote here for that Campbell Hausfeld compressor. Pretty happy with mine, except it does get noisy. Definitely easier on the budget though.

I vote against the Campbell Hausfeld compressor from Walmart. Too loud in noise for indoor airbrush use unless you live alone in a big house. Too weak to do any useful household job around the house except pumping bike tires.

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Posted by dirkpitt77 on Sunday, March 17, 2013 2:15 PM

Another vote here for that Campbell Hausfeld compressor. Pretty happy with mine, except it does get noisy. Definitely easier on the budget though.

    "Some say the alien didn't die in the crash.  It survived and drank whiskey and played poker with the locals 'til the Texas Rangers caught wind of it and shot it dead."

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Posted by modelaircraftperson on Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:20 PM

Thanks for all the help guys!  I have the airbrush bookmarked on my computer,and will probably get that air compressor from Walmart first since I have an airbrush with a can of propellant, but I think the only reason why it does not work i because the air pressure in the propellant is low.  Keep you guys informed.  Keep up the great work!

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