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Timaya X-20-A and Timaya Laquer thinner

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Timaya X-20-A and Timaya Laquer thinner
Posted by Josy11 on Thursday, December 5, 2013 1:02 PM

Hi All,

I have been reading a book where the author uses Timaya Laquer thinner and I have never seen this in the states. I use X20-A all the time and am wondering if they are the same thing - anyone know for sure?

 

Thnaks

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Thursday, December 5, 2013 1:38 PM

They are not the same.  X20-A is for acrylics and Tamiya lacquer thinner is for their lacquers.  I found a bottle of the lacquer thinner locally- yes, it is available in the states.

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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Posted by Nathan T on Friday, December 6, 2013 1:03 PM

Lacquer thinner can be used on Tamiya and Gunze acrylics (water/alcohol based paints). It alters the properties of the paint and causes it to spray on silk smooth and lay down very translucent, making it great for achieving shading, blending, and delicate camo work. Some people go this route for all their airbrushing.

 

 

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Monday, December 9, 2013 8:53 AM

Can Tamiya X20-A be used for thinning paint for airbrushing?

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Posted by Josy11 on Monday, December 9, 2013 9:32 AM

I have been using X20-A for airbrushing for a while now and my original question aobve was from reading about another modelers usage of thier Laquer thinner.  I found it this weekend at a hoobt store and discussed it with a local modeling expert. he told me he uses both thineers for airbrushing depending on desired result. I will begin experimenting with both now with my Tamiya's - I also have Mr. Color from Gunze that are not thier arcrylic line, and I will try the laquer thinner on these for an experiment as well

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Posted by Nathan T on Monday, December 9, 2013 10:27 AM

Glad you found the thinner. Good luck with your trials.

 

 

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Monday, December 9, 2013 11:24 PM

Looks like Imma gonna get me a bottle of Tamiya X20-A soon...

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Posted by JohanT on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 3:28 PM

Hi, I have used Tamiya Lacquer Thinner (Yellow Cap) with Tamiya acrylics with good results but when I tried to cut a different acrylic brand with it the mix turned into a sticky glue. X20A worked fine though. Not a chemist so I would not know why but it is obvioes that there are varioues kind of acrylic formulas. The advice given here was to stay with the makers recommendation.
Best Regards Johan

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Posted by Phil_H on Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:23 PM

I've always found it a bit odd that Tamiya even sells a "lacquer" thinner because the only product in their range that needs a lacquer thinner is their Liquid Surface Primer (and perhaps, their putty).

That aside, it works well with Tamiya acrylic paint.

So what difference does it make?

1: It extends the drying time of the paint, giving it more time to level after application. This is particularly helpful with gloss colours, which can have a tendency towards graininess when using other thinners (including their own X-20A) The paint lays down wetter and dries to a glossier sheen.

2: You can thin the paint out far more than you can with X-20A. Most people are reluctant to thin the paint too much so as to minimise the number of coats to achieve the desired coverage. Sure, you can do the "one coat" thing with Tamiya acrylics, but the true beauty of the paint comes from its versatility. Tamiya paints can be run extremely thinly, both for general coverage and for effects (shading, glazing etc) . For many years, I've seen people recommend to thin Tamiya acrylics about 2 parts paint to one part thinner, or sometimes 1:1. However, the secret to achieving silky smooth finishes with Tamiya acrylics is to go thin, very thin. Start at about 2:1 thinner to paint and go upwards.

The problem with this is that the proprietary X-20A thinner doesn't really like to play with the paint past about 3:1. It will mix, but past that ratio the paint tends to start to lose adhesion. It will bead and run when applied (similar behaviour to when thinned with plain old water). 

This is where the lacquer thinner comes in. It allows you to super-thin the paint without losing adhesion. You can take it to 10 parts thinner to one part paint and it will still stick.

Why would you want to do this?

Applying multiple thin coats of paint is always preferable to one heavy coat. Tamiya acrylics have a fairly heavy pigment load and it doesn't take as much paint as one would think to achieve coverage. 

Also, there's  a technique that can loosely be called "glazing".  You can run the paint extremely thinly (I'm talking about in the 80-90% thinner range) and apply very thin "tint" coats to base colours (similar in concept to overall "tint" washes) in a very controlled manner for shading/fading/weathering.

Another benefit is that it allows you to get much better definition. Run the paint thin, use lower pressure, get up close and personal and get sharper lines with less overspray.

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Posted by Josy11 on Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:24 PM

Hi All

lots of good info here, I particularily like Phil_h's reply on the bennies of Timaya Laquer thiner. I suspected the Laquer thinner could give thinner than I have been able to work with using X20-A - Been too busy to test, but I am going to shoot some empty pop bottles to test it out - I am also a fan of multiple thin coats - I can hide mistakes easier - Thanks again to all who replied

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