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Posted by Greg on Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:38 AM

Which reminds me, I have spares for my Iwata but haven't gotten around to getting them for my other AB that I use all the time. Thanks for the reminder, Jim. Good tip. (no pun intended)

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Posted by JimNTENN on Thursday, December 26, 2013 8:57 AM

I figured it probably had a dent since you dropped it. Cracks usually occur when you push the needle through too far. Not trying to be discouraging here but I'll about guarantee that you'll damage it again at some point. They are just too easy to damage especially the more fine they are. It might not be a bad idea to get a spare nozzle and needle. You don't need a huge supply of them just one extra of each for when you are ready to put that finishing coat on a build and the AB doesn't spray right because one or the other is damaged. Use an airbrush long enough and you'll have to replace those items from time to time just because of unexpected damage.

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Posted by Chrisk-k on Thursday, December 26, 2013 12:00 AM

I examined the damaged nozzle opening with my Optivisor at 10.5x. There is a barely visible microscopic dent on the opening. It's amazing that such a tiny imperfection screwed up the AB.

A lesson learned, though. I'll NEVER disassemble and clean my ABs in the bathroom.

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Posted by Greg on Wednesday, December 25, 2013 3:20 PM

Glad you got it sorted out, Chris.

I've often wondered just how fragile that nozzle is. Sorry I had to learn the answer at your expense, though.

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Posted by JimNTENN on Tuesday, December 24, 2013 7:30 PM

Yep. I've damaged the nozzles and the needles when I did my best to be careful and couldn't even remember dropping them. You can bump the AB against something hard enough even when you don't realize you did it and that's all she wrote.

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Posted by Chrisk-k on Tuesday, December 24, 2013 7:26 PM

I bought a .35 mm nozzle for $17 at HL and everything works as expected!

I cannot believe that dropping the original nozzle damaged it somehow.  Is a nozzle that fragile?

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Posted by Greg on Tuesday, December 24, 2013 8:59 AM

Sorry about the damaged nozzle, but you found the problem and it is repairable without to much fuss or expense so that is good.

I have back-flow issues and questions too, I may post a question in a new thread. If you never noticed yours until your tip was damaged, that just makes me even more curious.

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Posted by Chrisk-k on Monday, December 23, 2013 7:18 PM

I always take out the needle through the front opening of an AB. Since the needle wasn't fully seated, there must have been excessive paint inside the front area of my Eclipse. Probably, that's why I saw paint the rear part of the needle.

I'll investigate more, but a sudden, unrelated paint backflow problem is unlikely.

I learned a lesson. I will never disassemble an AB at a bathroom.

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Posted by Nathan T on Monday, December 23, 2013 7:02 PM

Paint backflow sounds like an un-related problem. Sounds almost certain that the nozzle is distorted enough to keep the tip of the needle from seating fully.

 

 

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Posted by Chrisk-k on Monday, December 23, 2013 6:34 PM

The nozzle hit the bathroom sink, bounced and fell into the hole.  Anyway, I found a magnifier and examined the nozzle.  I see nothing inside the nozzle but the tip looks slightly bent.  Will go to HL.

I'm curious as to why a damaged nozzle causes paint to backflow on the needle. Does anyone know?

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Posted by Greg on Monday, December 23, 2013 6:25 PM

From time to time I check the needle/nozzle fit on mine under my Optivisor strongest lens, using a lot of light. You could have a crack as JIm mentioned, or an out of round nozzle I suppose. Does sound like the needle isn't seating.

If you have a Hobby Lobby nearby, and find you need one, most of them stock spares. At least the ones around here do. Just make sure it's the right one for the HP-CS, they stock for the Neo's and stuff too.

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Posted by Chrisk-k on Monday, December 23, 2013 5:24 PM

I need to find a magnifier (I forgot where I put it).  Anyway, does a damaged nozzle cause paint to back-flow on the needle?  I don't recall ever seeing paint on the middle and rear areas of the needle.

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Posted by JimNTENN on Monday, December 23, 2013 4:59 PM

Most likely it is damaged. Hold it next to a light and use a magnifier if necessary to see if you can see any kind of dent or crack in the tip of the nozzle. They are very easy to damage.

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Iwata HP-CS problem
Posted by Chrisk-k on Monday, December 23, 2013 4:53 PM

I accidentally dropped the nozzle of my Iwata HP-CS into a bathroom sink drain hole and retrieved it from the U-shaped trap.

I cleaned the nozzle and other parts and reassembled the AB.

Now, when I press the trigger without pulling it back, a small amount of paint is sprayed. I re-seated the needle but the same problem happens.

On a related note, I used to see paint only around the needle tip area. Now, I see paint even at the middle area of the needle.

What do you think is the cause? Does it sound like the nozzle is damaged?

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