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Alclad order of things
Posted by Squatch88 on Monday, January 27, 2014 8:10 PM

Never used alclad but have been wanting to do a NMF for a while. So  I picked some alclad aluminum up and realized I'm not sure the order of painting for it. From what I have read I will need a good primer, most likely gloss black. Question is this...I use acrylics and dont want anything to rip up with the tape when I get to that step, so whats the order, starting from bare plastic to the final coat of whatever, when using alclad and acrylic paints.

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Posted by Tojo72 on Monday, January 27, 2014 8:32 PM

I Googled Alclad and came up with this article,there are many more.Hopefully they can help

www.swannysmodels.com/Alclad.html

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Posted by Squatch88 on Monday, January 27, 2014 9:04 PM

Ya that certainly does answer a lot of my questions! Thanks!

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Posted by Squatch88 on Monday, January 27, 2014 9:26 PM

Going back to it, I just reread it and am confused on the primers. From what I gather using an acrylic primer is completely ok?

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:33 AM

The word "primer" can mean a number of things. I prefer the term "undercoat" for what you put under Alclad. I prime plastic first with a primer that aids paint adhesion.  Then I apply a gloss black undercoat, then the Alclad.  Sometimes I will add some other dark gloss colors over the black, in a pattern, corresponding to panels, to get some variation to the Alclad appearance.

The undercoat must be flawless, because you put the Alclad down very thin.  So I often find it takes several coats of the undercoat, sanding and fixing flaws as necessary.

Also, I do the alclad last, to avoid having to mask over it.  So if the model has other colors than just the alclad, I paint those colors first (over the primer) and then mask those colors and do the black and Alcad.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by DUSTER on Tuesday, January 28, 2014 3:25 PM

Don's way is the most efficient way to get a great NMF. Each step will need to be done and checked  before the next so errors/omissions can be corrected before it's too late. 

Sometimes the long way IS the short way 

Good luck you'll enjoy the beauty of Alcad once you get it down.

Steve

Building the perfect model---just not quite yet  Confused

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Posted by Bick on Tuesday, January 28, 2014 4:46 PM

Here's a link to a scale model site which shows his excellent results with Alclad in its various finishes. Look at the list at the bottom of his cover page to find a link to his thoughts about Alclad II:

http://floch5.com/index.htm

Some beautiful models - worth a visit.

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  • From: Nampa, Idaho
Posted by jelliott523 on Monday, February 17, 2014 2:12 PM

Thats a great link!  That actually answered a lot of questions I had regarding Alclad and how to make panels of various colors on the same model!

On the Bench:  Lots of unfinished projects!  Smile

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Monday, February 17, 2014 4:01 PM

The main thing with Alclad II is to have as flawless a surface as possible.  A glossy smooth surface is the best.

And just for the record you do not need to use gloss black as the undercoat.  This is a sort of internet rumor that has become the truth over time.  The only time you really need to have the gloss black surface is when you are using the Alclad II High Shine paints such as Airframe Aluminum or Polished Aluminum.  For the regular colors it doesn't really matter.  You see, the high shine colors are translucent so the undercoat shines through a bit.  The regular colors are opaque and the undercoat will not shine through.

Now you can use gloss black if you want to under the regular Alclad II paints...there's no problem with that at all and many here do exactly that.  But you don't have to and it won't change the color of the regular colors at all.

I think FSM needs to make this regular shine vs high shine info into a sticky thread because it comes up so often.

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