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Pale gray insignia
Posted by high and the mighty on Monday, February 17, 2014 9:29 AM

National insignia--Russian stars, Japanese meatballs, stars and stripes--have always been used, including on camouflaged planes, for the obvious reason that up close it's good to know who your friend or enemy is.

But on today's USAF planes, which are usually painted various shades of gray, the insignia is both very small and almost invisible, in a paler shade of gray.  Since it would be a rarity that a F16 or stealth fighter would ever get up close and personal with a MiG these days, why are the insignias almost painted on but almost invisibly? Even if they did come close, a gray insignia won't make any difference.  It makes no sense--esp. if you're a modeler for whom insignia and other forms of ID on a plane is part of their colorful history.

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  • From: Western North Carolina
Posted by Tojo72 on Monday, February 17, 2014 10:00 AM

The big bright insignias from the 60's-80's show up on the infared heat seekers much easier,so the toned down insignias have to do with infared not just visual

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_aircraft_insignia 

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  • From: England
Posted by P mitch on Monday, February 17, 2014 10:00 AM

I thought there was a requirement under the Geneva Convention for all military hardware to me marked in such a way that you can tell whos it is, but I could be wrong as its just a memory

Phil

"If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: it's all balls." R J Mitchell


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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:09 AM

I also thought there was some international convention, though don't have any idea if it was a geneva thing or something else. I think it evolved in laws of sea, and carried over into aviation.

Also, don't get the infrared thing.  The IR heat seekers are not in the thermal infrared band where one can see an image.  They are in shorter IR band (1-3 microns) that need really hot surfaces, just below visible incandescence.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by P mitch on Wednesday, February 19, 2014 5:57 AM

Done a bit of digging and its covered in the Hague Rules of Aerial Warfare 1923, article 3 states  "A military aircraft shall bear an external mark indicating its nation"

Cant say I'd ever read it before but at least I can get it out of my head now

Phil

"If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: it's all balls." R J Mitchell


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  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, February 19, 2014 11:36 AM

Lets use the big white stars on US tanks for an example. Those were found to draw enemy attention and fire- not a good thing in combat, so they were eventually removed from US AFVs. In the1970s and the aftermath of Vietnam, there was a LOT of professional dissection of US actions in combat including the air war. With the Cold War looming ever and ever bigger in Europe at that time and training taking on a new more realistic manner (train like you will fight), every possible tactical advantage was sought. Toned down aircraft markings were less likely to catch the eye. Schemes that did not have a differnt bottom and top color did not reveal at a moments glance which way that the aircraft was banking. Pilots helmets were toned down (although the Air Force was doing that early on in Vietnam) and even false canopies and helmet dots painted on the bottom of the aircraft opposite the real canopy. The low vis markings were also supposed to be for IR concealment- not heat seeker missile heads, but active IR viewing devices that were commonly used by the Soviet Bloc. Just like the service fatigue/utility uniforms were toned down and markings subdued, equipment went thru the same research trials for the best possible concealment schemes. So yes, Internaional conventions require the insignia to be worn, but tactical needs have made them as low profile as possible. The "look at me" insignia of peacetime tend to be a detriment in combat.

 

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