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  • Member since
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  • From: Streetsboro, Ohio
Posted by Toshi on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 9:16 PM

To armournut,

Yes the Iwata NEO is a dual action airbrush as is the generic Harbor Frieght Tools airbrush.  I will take your advice and practice with both airbrushes.  

As for my beloved Mrs. Toshi, she is the ultimate queen of the kingdom.  I am the court jester.  LOL!  I thank her everyday.  Thank you for the read and reply!

On The Bench: Revell 1/48 B-25 Mitchell

 

Married to the most caring, loving, understanding, and beautiful wife in the world.  Mrs. Toshi

 

 

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  • From: Northeast WA State
Posted by armornut on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 8:32 PM

Read all the above posts and you mentioned the Iwata, if it is a double action, (one trigger controls air and

paint), practice with it as well before using it on your masterpiece, they are a whole different animal. Nothing to be afraid of and once ya get the finger control down the results are amazing, i have yet to figure it out LOL. All thats left to say is ditto the above. Happy modeling. PS, Mrs. Toshi sounds like a real supportive lady so be a good model husband and thank her now and again. You knew that already though.

we're modelers it's what we do

  • Member since
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  • From: Streetsboro, Ohio
Posted by Toshi on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 8:03 PM

To dirkpitt77,

I will not underestimate the Harbor Freight Tools airbrush as you now suggested.  I will definately respect it as an artists tool.  An extension of myself if I may so be allowed to say so.  The airbrush came with a small siphon cup, just like my gravity feed Iwata NEO, I assume this should be a great substitute.  I always joke of my family, especially Mrs. Toshi's insanity.  The underlying theme is that we are both insanely in love with each other.  Thank you for the read and reply.

Toshi

On The Bench: Revell 1/48 B-25 Mitchell

 

Married to the most caring, loving, understanding, and beautiful wife in the world.  Mrs. Toshi

 

 

  • Member since
    January 2006
  • From: NW Washington
Posted by dirkpitt77 on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 6:40 PM

Don't underestimate that Harbor Freight airbrush. I bought one when I had to send my Badger airbrush in for service. I was able to achieve very nearly identical results with the Harbor Freight brush despite it being a siphon feed and having a not-so-fine tip. LIke everyone says, practice, practice, practice.

If you do use the Harbor Freight brush, here's a little tip I figured out: find a container about half the size of the airbrush jar. Mix your paint in that container, then insert it inside the jar. You will find you have less wasted paint this way due to the smaller volume.

I like your posts, Toshi. Your quip about Mrs. Toshi being insane made me laugh. Good luck.

Chris

    "Some say the alien didn't die in the crash.  It survived and drank whiskey and played poker with the locals 'til the Texas Rangers caught wind of it and shot it dead."

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  • From: Streetsboro, Ohio
Posted by Toshi on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 4:26 PM

To Jetmaker

When I first became a member of FSM's forum, my first instinct told me that with all these reads and replies were fantastic.  I've never ever seen nor replied back to this many forum members in as much as this.

Mr. Stauffers advice is my new "Mantra".  As for you advice, I highly regard and respect your words of wisdom.  It seems that you have greatly benefitted from the "Maha Gurus" (Great Gurus) of this forum and you've applied and executed their information with successful products.

I realize this is not just painting a model, now I'm actually creating an art form.  "Anything good is never easy, anything easy is never good".  Thank you so much for your read and reply.

Toshi

On The Bench: Revell 1/48 B-25 Mitchell

 

Married to the most caring, loving, understanding, and beautiful wife in the world.  Mrs. Toshi

 

 

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  • From: Streetsboro, Ohio
Posted by Toshi on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 4:17 PM
To GMorrison,

I make sure that the cats are nowhere near me when I paint.  As well as Mrs. Toshi.  I use a face mask when painting and at some point I will be purchasing a spray booth.  The photo bombed cat "Hina" came out to eat grass a half hour after I sprayed the P-38.  

Toshi

On The Bench: Revell 1/48 B-25 Mitchell

 

Married to the most caring, loving, understanding, and beautiful wife in the world.  Mrs. Toshi

 

 

  • Member since
    March 2015
  • From: Streetsboro, Ohio
Posted by Toshi on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 4:14 PM

To GMorrison,

I will be diligent and thourough with my cleaning of the airbrush.  As for the Water trap, Harbor Freight tools included all of what you described as a necessary part/piece for the compressor.  Thank you for always supporting my efforts and the read and reply.

On The Bench: Revell 1/48 B-25 Mitchell

 

Married to the most caring, loving, understanding, and beautiful wife in the world.  Mrs. Toshi

 

 

  • Member since
    December 2013
Posted by jetmaker on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 3:18 PM

Outstanding comments and help here, as usual. Don Stauffer's advice to think of the AB as a spray "brush" and not as a spray "gun" was a game-changer for me when I was practicing. Ironically, that advice also helped my technique with spray cans as well

There's a LOT of different suggestions regarding using an airbrush on the internet, and a lot of it I have simply found to be suspect. I started out using moderately thinned paint (about the consistency of cream or half and half), psi around 30, and a distance of about 6". I wasn't impressed. Coverage was good, but it was like using an expensive spray can

After reading some of the comments from the gurus here - unbeknownst to them - I thinned the paint down to just thicker than water (about like skim milk), dropped the psi to around 17 or 18, and got up close (around 2", no more than 4"), and voila! It started to work like I thought it should. Gloss paint needs to be a little thinner than flats, but you can always use a flat paint to get good, solid coverage, then gloss it with a clear coat - I think that actually looks better, personally

Of course, my advice is coming from a VERY new guy, so take that for what it's worth. I just wanted to corroborate the advice given here, that I tested and found to be spot on

Also, Patrick's admonition that it can be a lengthy learning process is very important to realize. When I first started testing with my AB, it was very frustrating because I didn't expect there to be that much of a learning curve. These guys will really help speed the learning up though

Have fun, Toshi!

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 3:07 PM

One more thing- everyone is sick of me repeating this, but... paint fumes that may seem minor to you will kill your cat. She's got lungs about the size of your thumb.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 3:06 PM

Cleaning is the real chore. It has to be thorough. Acrylic paint isn't really water based or water soluble, just water thinnable. Once it sets, it's basically a plastic coating.

Also, I assume your compressor has a regulator with a valve, right? You will also want a water trap. Esp. in Ohio in the summer.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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  • From: Streetsboro, Ohio
Posted by Toshi on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 2:58 PM

To Patrick206,

I apologize as I forgot about our conversation on the other thread.  Thank you for jogging my mind.  I will start saving soda bottles and shiny cardboard as well to test my airbrush technique.  

Thank you for the percentage mix, it's always good to see what forum members utilize in real world production.  

As for paints, since I'm only doing aircraft from WWII, the majority of my paints are all Testors flat enamel.  Prior to my purchase of these airbrushes all I used were spray cans and the brush.  I got brushing down pretty good in that I can avoid streaks.  Check out my P-40 Warhawk.  I hand painted the entire aircraft brown then I utilized the Testors camoflouge airbrush kit which turned out ok. It's the rubber plastic airbrush that uses a Co2 can.

I'm anal when it comes to cleaning, just ask Mrs. Toshi!  LOL!  I will definately use the generic siphon feed airbrush as a guinea pig prior to the use of the Iwata NEO.  So cleaning my airbrush will be top priority, you can't accomplish a job or project with faulty or ill used equipment.  I think that applies to everything around us.

As for the site Dons Airbrush, this will be my homework this evening.  I am ever so grateful for your indetailed information regarding airbrushing.  I will definately let airbrush forum members as well as the aircraft thread know of how my adventure in airbrushing has been accomplished, thanks to you all here on this forum.  I've seen other modeling forums and I felt in my humble opinion that this forum FSM is the best out there.

Thank you for the read and reply,

Toshi

On The Bench: Revell 1/48 B-25 Mitchell

 

Married to the most caring, loving, understanding, and beautiful wife in the world.  Mrs. Toshi

 

 

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  • From: Streetsboro, Ohio
Posted by Toshi on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 2:40 PM

To Greg,

Yes, I will definately without hesitation let the airbrush forum members know if I have an issue or just to say that I did well, and wanted to thank everyone for their help.  Thank you for the read and reply.

Toshi

On The Bench: Revell 1/48 B-25 Mitchell

 

Married to the most caring, loving, understanding, and beautiful wife in the world.  Mrs. Toshi

 

 

  • Member since
    March 2013
Posted by patrick206 on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 1:45 PM

Toshi - As was stated in a different thread, any plastic throw away surface is fine for practicing, also shiny printed cardboard works well. The large plastic 2 quart soda jugs make a handy surface for practice, the curved surfaces are much like painting a model fuselage. Paper is not so good, the paint is just absorbed and you don't get the effect that the paint would show on a surface that is non absorbent. I use shiny cardboard, cut into 3 or 4 inch squares, easy to keep several on hand in drawer, any spraying you will do in testing will be a minor amount, one square will last for plenty of testing surface.

Depending on what city you are in, there may be a place or two that service air equipment or sell air hoses, they might well have the adapter you need for the air hose, perhaps a Graingers. Let your fingers do the walking through the phone book, I'll be surprised if you can't find what you need locally. It's a good idea to take both the air hose and the compressor to the place, they can see first hand what you need.

Any hobby paint is OK for model painting, like Bick and others are relating, the very inexpensive craft acrylic paints work very well too. If you are using the square Testors bottles, I think you are getting gloss paint. Just my suggestion, but that, (I think,) would not work so well for a three color scheme on your PBM. First, blending the color borders is a good bit more difficult with gloss paint, and for starting out as an air brush painter, I feel you would find greater success with a flat or semi-gloss enamel, for that Testors is my favored paint.

For thinning that paint, I think a good starting point would be 25% thinner, 75% paint. You may well find you need more thinner than that, I usually find it so, but the test results will tell you when you have the right mix. I have often found that 50% thinner works well. Do not be discouraged if you find it a rather demanding process, learning to airbrush paint. It took me a LOT of practice and time to become comfortable with it, but the pure enjoyment and satisfaction of becoming proficient and confident will be a huge reward. Once you get your equipment working well, I'll bet within a week you'll be a very good painter.

I can imagine you are a careful and meticulous person, so cleaning and maintaining your airbrush will likely be something you will do well by nature. But just one caution, if you try acrylic paints, the immediate cleaning of the airbrush when finished painting is important. If the paint is allowed to dry in the airbrush, (and it doesn't take very long,) you will have a real chore to get it cleaned up later.

Relative to your question about places to visit for learning, one for certain that I seriously recommend is Don's air brush website, jut Google Don's Air Brush and you will find out pretty much what you need to know about the subject. I had been in the hobby for well over 45 years  before I visited his site, then I learned a great deal more than I had known before. Very well worth the time.

Like Greg said, please feel free to stay in touch, let us know how it's coming together for you and ask any questions needed. Best of luck to you, hope it all goes smoothly.

Patrick  

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  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 12:18 PM

Toshi, once you get things hooked up and start spraying, don't forget to post questions here as you run into challenges. There is a lot of combined airbrush talent around here willing to help.

  • Member since
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  • From: Streetsboro, Ohio
Posted by Toshi on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 12:08 PM

To BLACKSMITH,

That's a great idea!  I'm on my way.  Thanks for the read and reply.

On The Bench: Revell 1/48 B-25 Mitchell

 

Married to the most caring, loving, understanding, and beautiful wife in the world.  Mrs. Toshi

 

 

  • Member since
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  • From: Streetsboro, Ohio
Posted by Toshi on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 12:06 PM

To Blacksheep 214,

I love your call name!  Anyway, I guess I panicked and never thought of going on line to Iwata or TCP.  I will utilize scrap as well as using the Testors and maybe in the future I can try the Master Model and or Tamiya paints.  Thank you for the read and reply and especially the tips.

On The Bench: Revell 1/48 B-25 Mitchell

 

Married to the most caring, loving, understanding, and beautiful wife in the world.  Mrs. Toshi

 

 

  • Member since
    March 2015
  • From: Streetsboro, Ohio
Posted by Toshi on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 11:12 AM

To Mr. Stauffer,

Thank you for the read and reply.  "Practicing on scrap" is what I'll start with.  I like the analogy that the airbrush is like a regular brush that puts down paint without the streaks.  I'll keep that as my mantra.

Toshi

On The Bench: Revell 1/48 B-25 Mitchell

 

Married to the most caring, loving, understanding, and beautiful wife in the world.  Mrs. Toshi

 

 

  • Member since
    November 2014
Posted by BLACKSMITHN on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 9:38 AM

If you don't have a spare model to practice on, visit your local dollar store. You can find all manner of plastic toys to practice on and at an affordable price.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 9:33 AM

Answer to #1 -

Yes - you do need an adapter. Best bet is go thru Iwata website or tcpglobal.com for better results.

Practice using an old scrap kit for airbrushing until you get a better understanding of how to use it.

Question 2 depends on what you prefer to use. There's no right or wrong paint brand/type to use. Wing it and see what you like best.

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 8:38 AM

Before trying to paint that model, practice on scrap.  I think this is a most important point. You cannot learn the technique instantly.  One point to keep in mind.  Do not consider an airbrush as a spray gun. Instead, think of it as a brush that puts down paint without brush marks.  Stay close to the surface you are spraying, keep paint flow and pressure low to moderate, and go slowly.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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  • From: Streetsboro, Ohio
First real airbrush
Posted by Toshi on Tuesday, April 28, 2015 7:52 AM

To my fellow forum members,

I have attempted to utilize an airbrush from a Testors kit. It was the camouflage set that comes with the Co2 can.  Hence that is my experience with airbrushing.  My wife, Mrs. Toshi went all out for me and got me a multitude of airbrushes and equipment.  Please review the equipment on the aircraft thread called "B-24 Liberator and Mrs. Toshi has gone insane".  The two airbrushes I have is a siphon feed airbrush that came with a compressor as a kit from Harbor Freight Tools and an Iwata NEO Gravity Feed airbrush.  Besides this I have a airbrush stand, airbrush cleaning pot, hose that comes with the compressor kit, and an Iwata hose.  

My question is two fold,

#1- Mrs. Toshi purchased a Iwata air hose.  As it should, one end fits the airbrush, the other end fits the compressor.  Unfortunately, my compressors male screw in is smaller than the air hose female attachment.  Where can I find an adapter or do they even make one?  I was thinking Loewes, or some type of hardware store.  

#2- I understand the concept of the mixing of paint by thinning it for airbrushing as thick paint cannot flow through the nozzle and get past the needle.  I also understand the basic types of paints are acrylic and enamel.  The majority of my work will be enamel based paints as that's all I have since I just started to build my third kit after a 40 year hiatus.  I'm utilizing Testors enamel paint that comes in the ubiquitous square bottles, the type I've used during my childhood building of WWII aircraft.  Besides my trial and error AKA: Practice Makes Perfect", is it better to use the more expensive Testors Master Model and Tamiya paints.  Or are these two products mentioned just a matter of preference.

Can anyone please give a first timer any type of basic techniques required to at least spray my first aircraft that requires a three color paint scheme? It's a sea plane PBM-5A Minicraft product.  I've studied via YouTube, anywhere else I should go to? I know for a fact to practice on another aircraft of which I do not have and or a simple piece of paper.  Forum members assistance would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you in advance.

Toshi

On The Bench: Revell 1/48 B-25 Mitchell

 

Married to the most caring, loving, understanding, and beautiful wife in the world.  Mrs. Toshi

 

 

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