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Is it necessary to seal Alclad 2 with clear coat?

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Is it necessary to seal Alclad 2 with clear coat?
Posted by redryder on Thursday, May 21, 2015 9:35 PM

Hi,

It’s not easy to find Alclad2 paints in my country, and I’ve been using Gunze Mr Metal so far. Unfortunately, the Gunze paints have to be sealed with clear coat otherwise the paint comes off onto fingers. Even after drying for a few days, the paint still comes off. 

Sealing with clear coat reduces the shine significantly, even with gloss clear. Do I need to do the same with Alclad2 paints? If they behave the same way as the Gunze then I’d rather just stick with Gunze since it’s cheaper over here.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Friday, May 22, 2015 7:01 AM

The non high shine ones do not require a sealer. Alclad recommends to seal the high shine finishes when using decal setting solutions. I on the other hand, I have not sealed the high shine ones and even used Solvaset which is very strong and nothing happened to the Alclad finish. I just made certain the paints sat curing for at least 2-3 days prior to applying the decals. It's an over abundance of caution but rather be safe than sorry.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Friday, May 22, 2015 9:12 AM

I do not seal any of the Alclads.  I find a gloss sealer does make a subtle change in the sheen, and I don't like it.  I have had no problems with leaving them unsealed, and have some models that are maybe a decade or more old, with no problems.

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Posted by Chrisk-k on Friday, May 22, 2015 1:31 PM

So do you leave decals on Alclad 2 unprotected?  

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Posted by Nathan T on Friday, May 22, 2015 1:35 PM

The Gunze Mr. Metal colors are buffable, meaning they are meant to be polished to a high shine, therefore, will always leave a residue, and arent' able to be masked over. They aren't good for overall coverage. I use them for separate parts such as exhaust, gun barrels, oleo struts, etc...

 

 

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Friday, May 22, 2015 2:49 PM

Chrisk-k

So do you leave decals on Alclad 2 unprotected?  

You can if you want to. I have done just that in several builds.

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Posted by redryder on Saturday, May 23, 2015 3:36 AM

Thanks all for the replies. Unfortunately my local hobby shop doesn't carry Alclad anymore. Guess I'm stuck with Gaianotes Silver.

I'm building a Tamiya car kit, and I want the grille and bumper to shine. I've googled around and it seems that most people recommend an enamel glossy black coat, followed by the metal paint. I currently airbrush with acrylics only(Gunze Aqueous and Vallejo), do I need to buy an enamel gloss black or could I just use acrylic gloss black? The Gaianotes silver is a lacquer based paint.

If I buy an enamel gloss black, do I need to buy separate thinner as well? Can I use isopropyl alcohol as thinner?

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Saturday, May 23, 2015 8:52 AM

Chrisk-k

So do you leave decals on Alclad 2 unprotected?  

Yes.  The Alclad finish is so smooth that adhesion of the decals is excellent.  You may possibly notice the edge, but I am willing to risk that to eliminate risk of altering sheen of Alclad.  I have never had a decal lift on any of my Alclad-finished subjects.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Nathan T on Saturday, May 23, 2015 6:54 PM

redryder

Thanks all for the replies. Unfortunately my local hobby shop doesn't carry Alclad anymore. Guess I'm stuck with Gaianotes Silver.

I'm building a Tamiya car kit, and I want the grille and bumper to shine. I've googled around and it seems that most people recommend an enamel glossy black coat, followed by the metal paint. I currently airbrush with acrylics only(Gunze Aqueous and Vallejo), do I need to buy an enamel gloss black or could I just use acrylic gloss black? The Gaianotes silver is a lacquer based paint.

If I buy an enamel gloss black, do I need to buy separate thinner as well? Can I use isopropyl alcohol as thinner?

Use a lacquer gloss black, and clean up with lacquer thinner. Don't use enamels under lacquers

 

 

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Saturday, May 23, 2015 10:19 PM

Nathan

I use Testors gloss black enamel (small bottle) under the Alclad high shine paints.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Sunday, May 24, 2015 9:17 AM

I think the normal prohibition of not using lacquers over enamels does not seem to apply to Alclad.  I also use Alclad over Testors gloss black enamel, and have never had a problem.  I have also used it successfully over acrylic.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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