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Acrylic Clear Protector Causing Damage
Posted by Big Gee on Friday, February 19, 2016 8:52 AM

Hi.  I'm currently restoring a 1970s 'FAB1' from Thunderbirds.  As it's a metal product, I stripped the paint, undercoated with (real car) primer, then a few layers of enamel pink produced a lovely finish.  However, when I added an acrylic clear protection spary, the enamel pink, which was thoroughly dry (around four days) blistered badly, so I'm back to sanding again.

I wasn't expecting the acrylic protector to damage the enamel paint.  Can anyone recommend an alternative clear protection layer?

Photographs available (just can't work out how to attach).

Thank you.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Friday, February 19, 2016 10:25 AM

To post photos, use a program like Photobucket, Flicker, etc.... I like Photobucket because of the ease of copying the uploaded image link to the forums.

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Posted by Big Gee on Friday, February 19, 2016 10:58 AM

Big Gee

Hi.  I'm currently restoring a 1970s 'FAB1' from Thunderbirds.  As it's a metal product, I stripped the paint, undercoated with (real car) primer, then a few layers of enamel pink produced a lovely finish.  However, when I added an acrylic clear protection spary, the enamel pink, which was thoroughly dry (around four days) blistered badly, so I'm back to sanding again.

I wasn't expecting the acrylic protector to damage the enamel paint.  Can anyone recommend an alternative clear protection layer?

Photographs available (just can't work out how to attach).

Thank you.

 

[quote user="Big Gee"]

Hi.  I'm currently restoring a 1970s 'FAB1' from Thunderbirds.  As it's a metal product, I stripped the paint, undercoated with (real car) primer, then a few layers of enamel pink produced a lovely finish.  However, when I added an acrylic clear protection spary, the enamel pink, which was thoroughly dry (around four days) blistered badly, so I'm back to sanding again.

I wasn't expecting the acrylic protector to damage the enamel paint.  Can anyone recommend an alternative clear protection layer?

Photographs available (just can't work out how to attach).

Thank you!

 

Photos! (Thanks BlackSheep!)  https://flic.kr/s/aHsktPkvqR

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Posted by Big Gee on Friday, February 19, 2016 10:58 AM

Photos!  https://flic.kr/s/aHsktPkvqR

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Posted by Big Gee on Friday, February 19, 2016 11:27 AM

Photos!  https://flic.kr/s/aHsktPkvqR

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Posted by Nathan T on Friday, February 19, 2016 11:37 AM

What type/brand of Acrylic clear coat did you use?

 

 

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Posted by Cobra 427 on Friday, February 19, 2016 5:32 PM

I would recommend using either Krylon acrylic enamel to mix your colour in, or Duplicolor automotive acrylic enamel to mix your colour base with as well as the clear coat to ensure no chemical interaction that would cause this to happen. If you use acrylic, or enamel, or an acrylic enamel derivative with a lacquer clear coat this will always happen as the two as chemically incomaptible. True lacquer is made from nitrocellulose (tree  gum spirits, and cellulose fiber) - not enamel, or acrylic or any variation thereof.

Regardless of the claims to the contrary lacquer was introduced by the plasti-kote corporation in 1923. They are the TRUE manufactuerers, and original creators of it. Despite what the name implies by todays' standards it wasn't a plastic coating, but rather a natural one that dries hard even though it was sprayed on as a liquid. With the advent of this newly found formulation they named themselves after what many described as a substrate that can be applied in a liquid form, and dry like regular leaded paint of the time, and can be wet-sanded  and buffed to a high gloss shine without a separate clear coat over itself, but rather act as one instead.

However since true enamel paint was quite a ways from this it wasn't compatible, nor was the acrylic paint coating then made by the DuPont corporation as "enamel lacquer" Which to this day no paint substrate of this kind exists. Lacquer is a HOT chemical formulation which requires a lot more time to gas out than enamel which is much softer, and therefore doesn't require as much time to cure. These two cannot be used together without the lacquer eating the enamel underneath. However you can use enamel over cured lacquer - just not the other way around as this causes blistering, wrinkling, or lifting of the paint. Just use the same paint company name for both the paint surface itself as well as the clear coat over it to avoid any incompatibilities.

 

~ Cobra Chris

Maybe a picture of a squirrel playing a harmonica will make you feel better?

 

 

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Posted by Greg on Saturday, February 20, 2016 9:39 AM

Nathan T

What type/brand of Acrylic clear coat did you use?

 

Ditto that.

Also, 4 day cure of enamel for a subsequent dissimilar overspray probably ok, but not so much if the enamel was laid on heavily. (Just a thought)

And, how are you spraying? AB or spray can?

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Posted by Big Gee on Saturday, February 20, 2016 2:24 PM

Wow, great info, thank you.  Will look into these products ...

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Posted by Big Gee on Saturday, February 20, 2016 2:25 PM

Hi.  Humbrol Crystal Clear

http://www.humbrol.com/uk-en/crystal-clear-150ml-spray.html

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