Spray Gun Question

Have a look at this video for some thoughts on wide coverage.

Don

Don;

Great explanation, thank you.  That is exactly what I was struggling with on the larger surface. 

John

Thank you for that link, Don (and to you John for asking the question).

A fan pattern mini gun has been on my want list for quite a while, even more so after having watched Paul's informative video.

For primers I just use ones in rattle cans.  I have a spray gun somewhere around the house but haven't used it for years, and never considered it much good for small models.  Okay if you are painting a four or five foot RC model, but you waste an awful lot of paint using it on models in normal plastic scales.

On a really large model, say a 1:350 or 1:200 ship, I will use rattle cans for early coats of final color, then do a really nice final coat with an airbrush.  Sure, it takes awhile, but will put down a nicer coat than a spray gun.

I have a can of the Tamiya primer around, but the overspray when I had used it in the past was too much for me.  I live in Arizona so going to the garage or outside when it is pushing 110 is just not an option either:)

I think I am going to try the mini gun and see how it works.  I doubt I would use it on a 1/48 WWII fighter, but you never know.  I am learning that without a good smooth primer coat, my job gets a lot harder...

I will report back on what I discover as I am sure there will be lots of experimenting.

John

All of Paul's videos are great.   Paul is a real perfectionist.

I think a mini gun might require a compressor upgrade.  I suspect they use a lot more air.

Don

pilotjohn

I have a can of the Tamiya primer around, but the overspray when I had used it in the past was too much for me.  I live in Arizona so going to the garage or outside when it is pushing 110 is just not an option either:)

I think I am going to try the mini gun and see how it works.  I doubt I would use it on a 1/48 WWII fighter, but you never know.  I am learning that without a good smooth primer coat, my job gets a lot harder...

I will report back on what I discover as I am sure there will be lots of experimenting.

John

 

Save your money on Tamiya primer and get Rustoleum brand instead. You get more for your money. Not that Tamiya primer is bad but it comes in a small rattle can. I've had great success using Rustoleum brand primer since it is sandable and goes on super smooth no matter the weather.

I have a TC910 with an attached 1 gal tank.  The compressor is rated to go up to 57psi, so I should be ok.

John

pilotjohn

I have a can of the Tamiya primer around, but the overspray when I had used it in the past was too much for me.  I live in Arizona so going to the garage or outside when it is pushing 110 is just not an option either:)

I think I am going to try the mini gun and see how it works.  I doubt I would use it on a 1/48 WWII fighter, but you never know.  I am learning that without a good smooth primer coat, my job gets a lot harder...

I will report back on what I discover as I am sure there will be lots of experimenting.

John

 

Even a so-called touchup gun will produce a lot of overspray compared to an airbrush.  You need a spray booth.  Even a large cardboard box/carton will act as a spray booth though it won't eliminate all crud from the air.

Also, as Don says, even those touch-up guns do require more air than an airbrush.  A small pancake compressor would be enough, but the made-for-airbrush compressor I now use wouldn't hack it with a touchup gun.

I have seen very small things called spray guns that are the size of an airbrush. I have never used one of those things so no advise on those.  Are they really any different than a cheap airbrush?

I love it when people who have little to no experience with a quality miniature spray gun make comments on their use and function.  So helpful ...

Paul Budzik

I love it when people who have little to no experience with a quality miniature spray gun make comments on their use and function.  So helpful ...

 

charming.

or, chumming?

Paul Budzik

I love it when people who have little to no experience with a quality miniature spray gun make comments on their use and function.  So helpful ...

 

I do have a touchup gun, and have used it a lot.  As I said, I have no experience with the airbrush-sized "spray gun," and hence no comment.

I dediced to go for it and will order one:)  I will post when it comes and what I find out. 

John

Paul Budzik

I love it when people who have little to no experience with a quality miniature spray gun make comments on their use and function.  So helpful ...

 

Paul Budzik

I love it when people who have little to no experience with a quality miniature spray gun make comments on their use and function.  So helpful ...

 

Just saying, nothing at all positive to be gained from those words, I saw nothing to provoke the post.

Respectfully

Patrick 

What would you like me to say?  I have a whole series of videos that took a lot of time to make.  They were made from years of experience and consultation with Iwata techs.  They contain all the information I wish I would have had years ago.  I have repeated the information over and over again in forums and in email questions from modelers who only seem to watch half the videos.  (yes the Youtube stats say that the average viewer of my videos doesn't want to spend more than 2:53)  Yet I see all sorts of comments made from modelers with absolutely no experience with the tools that I am talking about.  And they persist in trying to use a Micron to paint an entire model.

There is a huge difference between some touch-up gun or Harbor Freight special and the miniature spray guns that I have shown.  So I rightly ask ... what is the point of those comments?

If you really want answers and information, give my videos a watch, maybe even several times...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2_YEoGunu0&list=PLRK4diRzRX1dR1mLnD9HGKdCtl2CxIiy6

As I said, I wish someone would have done half as much for me 40 years ago.

Paul

 "What would you like me to say? "

Well, if someone states something you don't agree with, you could either give a reasoned response, or ignore it.  Snide remarks don't help anyone.

Your video seems to imply that an expensive detail gun is a necessity to get a nice finish. And yet, at any model show there will many examples of excellent paint jobs that were done with ordinary airbrushes or even spray cans. No doubt a nice spray gun makes it easier, but not everyone has that kind of money to spend on this hobby.

As I wrote earlier, you are a perfectionist. Your models and videos demonstrate that. And, you have some very expensive tools. Most of us are not so perfect and make do with what we can afford.

As for the average view time of your videos: A lot of people come to them via a search engine.  And, many will watch a few seconds and realize it wasn't what they were looking for.  That brings the average time down.  Some people watch a few seconds and then save the URL to come back later.  I often do that.  I suspect most modelers watch the whole thing.

Don

Paul -

There is no question on my part, that you have made major contributions for the model building hobby. I'm certain you are one of the most capable and detail oriented information video and text producers in the field, and I thank you once again for such a fine effort. I learned a lot, my abilities have improved considerably due to your sharing of that knowledge.

I remain a bit puzzled, I can't see why you would feel slighted by the posts leading up to this point, I saw no intent to diminish your input along the way. If I'm wrong or missed something then so be it, I'll take that. But I do hope to see a friendly and informative sharing of information and techniques return, please accept my expression of the high regard so many of us have about your educational series.

Harsh words can lead to unintentional hard feelings.

How about a handshake? We're all friends here.

Patrick

I will admit that I really don't see why the negativity was begun,  but I do feel that it is not necessary. We all try our best to help out each other. Some are just not as acquainted with all the information available as some others may be. Let spread love and kindness. It's much better than the alternative, brothers.

My new gun arrived.  Below is a photo showing it next to my Krome:

One major point; the fitting is a 1/4", so you need a 1/4 to 1/4 hose to attach to the standard compressor...  I am needing an adaptor. 

The feel in my hand is great and the trigger action is very smooth.  I have the 1.0mm needle.  More to come.

John

John,

Congratulations on the new gun. Does it have the fan type head?  It's not obvious in the photo.

Don

Yeah that little doo dad is a confectioners best friend. Great for decorating those big sheet cakes displayed at celebrations.

I've kept my head down during the recent hostilities. I would just say that as a 1/72 aircraft, and ship guy, the old a/b works fine.

That is definately some sweet equipment, John. Congrats. 

Don Wheeler

John,

Congratulations on the new gun. Does it have the fan type head?  It's not obvious in the photo.

Don

GMorrison

Yeah that little doo dad is a confectioners best friend. Great for decorating those big sheet cakes displayed at celebrations.

I've kept my head down during the recent hostilities. I would just say that as a 1/72 aircraft, and ship guy, the old a/b works fine.

 

 

Yes, for a 1/72 aircraft it would seem like a lot.  I have one unbuilt Bf-109 in 1/72 and I measured it to be about 5" long and 5 1/2" wide.  By contrast my 1/32 F/A-18E is 22" long and 16 1/2" wide.

Paul has an excellent video showing exactly what my problem was.  Looking forward to seeing how this will help with primer and sealer coats.

John

Here is the needle assembly.  Very easy to work with

 insert the needle, add the spring, and then screw on the adjustment knob.