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Alclad fragility
Posted by Josy11 on Monday, November 7, 2016 6:13 PM

 

Hi All,

 

I have been modelling for a few years now and used Alclad several times on planes, as well as AFV’s. I have always had good success with them and I tried my first car in my current build. I had something happen I was not prepared for with Alclad and wanted to ask if anyone else has had this and if so, what you did to perhaps remedy it

 

 

 

I have an old stash of 1/16 Revell Drag race kits that I have had for a very long time and finally decided to try to build one, as I mangled many of them when I was a kid back in the 70's when they came out. Since I have done so much military, I was taken back by all the very shiny chrome in the kit, so I stripped if off with Easy Oven cleaner and then cleaned and re-primed the chrome tree with Alclad glossy black in case the gloss left on the de-chromed tree was not compatible for re-chroming with Alclad paint

 

 

 

I applied the Alclad chrome to the de-chromed tree, and as always it went on great with the ability to vary the shininess by how much I coated on - something I really like about these paints.

 

Well, being a car model I had to handle most of the chrome pieces multiple times after painting and the Alclad came off when I rubbed all the many fiddly pieces (suspension, steering, and engine). Now, granted, I am the kind of person who gets ink from newspaper on my hands when I read, so this might be caused by my own finger oils - but has anyone else ever seen/experienced this? - I was hesitant to varnish the chrome in fear of altering it too much.

 

All my experience so far has been with planes and AFV and I have used the other Alclads and have had minimal handling of the parts after painting. I have nothing but good results with the Alclad line so far.  - I have more cars to do, so I am interested in a good method ( Alclad Aqua gloss?) to keep my personal paint removers ( I.E. fingers) from removing my Alclad when I attempt my next car build- I really like Alclads for metal - any suggestions?

 

 

 

Thanks

 

 

 

Joe

 

 

 

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  • From: MN
Posted by Nathan T on Monday, November 7, 2016 9:11 PM

Alclads high shine colors, such as chrome, are very fragile, and cannot be masked over. I would suggest to try the Aqua gloss, as I have found it doesn't alter the shine much at all. Hopefully it will protect the finish enough to survive handling. 

 

 

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, November 8, 2016 9:17 AM

I often just spray chrome pieces that are too bright with a coat of Testors Dullcoat.  This works especially well for those pieces that are supposed to be aluminum.

However, if I do deside to use an Alclad, I do not bother to strip the chrome.  I clean up any flash, sprue attachment parts, etc., prime, then apply a black gloss paint.  Then I apply the Alclad.  While the adhesion is not great, I have successfully used low tack materials over it for masking, such as post-it notes or frisket paper.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Wednesday, November 9, 2016 10:36 AM

I can tell you exactly what happened. You used Alclad gloss black primer. I've heard many bad experiences of people using Alclad's primer with terrible results. So stay away from Alclad's gloss black primer. Use simple Gloss black enamel paint as your gloss black primer and try again. You'll be glad you used gloss black paint instead of Alclad gloss black primer.

  • Member since
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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, November 10, 2016 8:57 AM

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

I can tell you exactly what happened. You used Alclad gloss black primer. I've heard many bad experiences of people using Alclad's primer with terrible results. So stay away from Alclad's gloss black primer. Use simple Gloss black enamel paint as your gloss black primer and try again. You'll be glad you used gloss black paint instead of Alclad gloss black primer.

 

I'll second that.  I used to use Testors Gloss Enamel black for undercoat.  Decided to try the Alclad black.  Immediately went back to the enamel.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Josy11 on Saturday, November 19, 2016 4:06 PM

 

Hi All

 

Thanks for the replies - It took me a while to get back here. Interesting advice to ditch the Alclad gloss black - I will pick up a bottle of Testors gloss black and give some scrap a try - I really dislike the chrome that comes in car model kits - I believe it is way out of scale

 

Joe F,

 

 

 

  • Member since
    April 2006
  • From: ON, Canada
Posted by jgeratic on Sunday, November 20, 2016 12:52 AM

Yes, that gloss black from Alcad had a bad batch a while back.  I have my doubts they ever called back the product once it left their door, as I have a bad sample as well, bought well after they discovered this.  Either that, or it's still less than useless - always tacky, never dries, and heat whether it be from your hands or from sanding, just makes a gooey mess.

regards,

Jack 

  • Member since
    January 2016
  • From: Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada
Posted by iSteve on Sunday, November 20, 2016 1:45 PM

Funny, but I've never had any issues with Alclad gloss black primer and it would have been the last cause I would have guessed.

Let us know how the Testors enamel works out, Joe. The more lacquer I can avoid, the happier I am.

By the way, was there any chance there was some residue on the parts from the oven cleaner that might affect the Alclad?

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    January 2013
Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Thursday, December 1, 2016 7:06 AM

iSteve

Funny, but I've never had any issues with Alclad gloss black primer and it would have been the last cause I would have guessed.

Let us know how the Testors enamel works out, Joe. The more lacquer I can avoid, the happier I am.

By the way, was there any chance there was some residue on the parts from the oven cleaner that might affect the Alclad?

 

 

I think everyone lost confidence in using Alclad primers. So instead we resort to using enamel gloss black paint from now on.

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