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  • Member since
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  • From: Lower Alabama
what is your "sweet" setup?
Posted by saltydog on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 11:38 PM
please dont look at this post and its length and just back out. please read and answer these 6 questions as i think they would be good general ref. material for any begginer (as myself) or someone planning to buy an airbrush. advice is good, but i have 4 airbrushes and each one sprays different paints at different thinning ratios at different psi with different results. thanks.

1. first, what brand airbrush is your favorite?

2. with said airbrush, what is your favorite paint brand and is it enamel or acrylic and why?

3. with said paint brand and type, what is your "sweet" concoction to achieve your desired results?(thinning ratio/ brand of thinner/ retarders / mediums/ superlube/ ect.)

4. with said "sweet" concoction, what is your home psi for general spray/ detailing?

5. what do you model the most?

6. what do you shoot through your brush to change colors/deep clean your airbrush with?

here are my answers:
1. iwata hp-c with the .4mm needle/nozzle combo
2. tamiya acrylics, ease of use, no notious fumes to share with my family, i can achieve the look i like with no additives
3. i start at 60% thinner 40%paint using tamiya thinner and have recently began applying superlube to my needle. the superlube actually works well to prevent tip dry. i was pleasantly surprised. i would reccomend buying it.
4. my home psi is usually 15 to 18 psi for general spraying, 10psi for detailing and such.
5. ill try any aircraft with a cammo scheme. i love painting cammo!! but ironically, my favorite bird of all time is the P-51D which is usually found in its birthday suite.
6. i just spray some windex/water to change colors, then load the next color and spray about 3 seconds away from the subject to "prime" the airbrush with the next color. to deep clean i break it down and wipe down all affected parts with model master acryl solvent, reassemble and spray about a half a bowl of said solvent and leave just a tad in the bottom of the bowl and stick a toothpick in the little airhole in bowl cap.

i have found the above to work well for me with plenty of advice from this forum and other places on the web, but mostly from trial and error (mostly error).

i just came from my LHS and the guy there said he talked the winner of some local model contest and ask him these 5 questions and the one that floored me was his home psi. his home psi for all spraying was 40psi!!! i was curious as to how many modellers used this kind of psi on there projects. ive never ventured over 25 psi when painting a model, but i tried it on some scrap plastic and was pleasantly surprised at the softness i achieved. i also was able to achieve an awesome tight fine line with as little overspray as spraying at 10psi. also, the airbrush trigger was more "responsive" if you will. what do you think? later.




Chris The Origins of Murphy's Law: "In the begginning there was nothing, and it exploded."!!! _________ chris
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  • From: USA
Posted by MusicCity on Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:01 AM
QUOTE: 1. first, what brand airbrush is your favorite?

T&C Omni 3000 or my old, ever faithful Badger 200.

QUOTE: 2. with said airbrush, what is your favorite paint brand and is it enamel or acrylic and why?

Tamiya acrylic because of the water cleanup, and lack of noticeable fumes.

QUOTE: 3. with said paint brand and type, what is your "sweet" concoction to achieve your desired results?(thinning ratio/ brand of thinner/ retarders / mediums/ superlube/ ect.)

I thin my paint at 3:1 (paint:thinner) using 90% isopropyl alcohol, however this is frequently dependant on the type of paint, airbrush, and air pressure. Never used retarder, but I've thought of it a few times! I do use Medea Superlube in my airbrushes.

QUOTE: 4. with said "sweet" concoction, what is your home psi for general spray/ detailing?

15 psi from about 3"-4" away from the surface.

QUOTE: 5. what do you model the most?

WWII aircraft

QUOTE: 6. what do you shoot through your brush to change colors/deep clean your airbrush with?

MikeV's magical mixture of distilled water, Simple Green, and Windex.
Scott Craig -- Nashville, TN -- My Website -- My Models Page
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    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:51 AM
QUOTE: 1. first, what brand airbrush is your favorite?

I have a Paasche VL and a Badger 100. I'm preferring the Badger 100 lately.

QUOTE: 2. with said airbrush, what is your favorite paint brand and is it enamel or acrylic and why?

Favorite paint brand is Humbrol (enamel). I also use Model Master, and sometimes Gunze or Tamiya. But, Humbrol is preferred.

QUOTE: 3. with said paint brand and type, what is your "sweet" concoction to achieve your desired results?(thinning ratio/ brand of thinner/ retarders / mediums/ superlube/ ect.)

Thin to taste! I'd guess at least 50/50 with general purpose lacquer thinner.

QUOTE: 4. with said "sweet" concoction, what is your home psi for general spray/ detailing?

Usually 15-25 psi.

QUOTE: 5. what do you model the most?

A little of everything, but mostly automobiles and airplanes.

QUOTE: 6. what do you shoot through your brush to change colors/deep clean your airbrush with?

Lacquer thinner.


Murray
  • Member since
    March 2003
  • From: Newport News VA
Posted by Buddho on Thursday, March 25, 2004 5:50 PM
QUOTE: 1. first, what brand airbrush is your favorite?

I use a Badger 150 for most of my work. I also have a Badger Crescendo for doing large areas. I recently purchased a Sotar20/20 but haven't gotten use to it yet.

QUOTE: 2. with said airbrush, what is your favorite paint brand and is it enamel or acrylic and why?

I like Tamiya acrylic paints the best. They leave a smooth and even finish, and are very easy to use. (For handpainting, I love Humbrol)

QUOTE: 3. with said paint brand and type, what is your "sweet" concoction to achieve your desired results?(thinning ratio/ brand of thinner/ retarders / mediums/ superlube/ ect.)

I mix 60/40 paint to thinner. I have never used retarders or superlube.

QUOTE: 4. with said "sweet" concoction, what is your home psi for general spray/ detailing?

Usually 20 psi, but will go up to 30 or down to 15 psi.

QUOTE: 5. what do you model the most?

I like 1/35 scale armor. But I take breaks and do about everything: figures, aircraft, nascar, etc.

QUOTE: 6. what do you shoot through your brush to change colors/deep clean your airbrush with?

I use Tamiya thinner, then enamel thinner.

Dan

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    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 25, 2004 6:37 PM
1. first, what brand airbrush is your favorite? BADGER

2. with said airbrush, what is your favorite paint brand and is it enamel or acrylic and why? TAMIYA ACRYLIC

3. with said paint brand and type, what is your "sweet" concoction to achieve your desired results?(thinning ratio/ brand of thinner/ retarders / mediums/ superlube/ ect.) 3:2:1:2 Paint :Thinner: Clear Flat :Future

4. with said "sweet" concoction, what is your home psi for general spray/ detailing? around 35psi at 8 inches

5. what do you model the most? aircraft

6. what do you shoot through your brush to change colors/deep clean your airbrush with? water + iso + lacquor in 1:2:1
  • Member since
    April 2003
  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by MikeV on Thursday, March 25, 2004 8:58 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by saltydog


1. first, what brand airbrush is your favorite?


Badger/Thayer & Chandler. Does that surprise you? Wink [;)]

QUOTE: 2. with said airbrush, what is your favorite paint brand and is it enamel or acrylic and why?


Model Master enamels. Although I have been playing with the Acryl line and may switch to it.

QUOTE: 3. with said paint brand and type, what is your "sweet" concoction to achieve your desired results?(thinning ratio/ brand of thinner/ retarders / mediums/ superlube/ ect.)


I like to thin Model Master enamels 2:1 with Sunnyside Specs thinner which is a mineral spirits thinner. For finer detail a 1:1 ratio is sometimes necessary depending on temperature.

QUOTE: 4. with said "sweet" concoction, what is your home psi for general spray/ detailing?


I spray between 15-20 psi for general coverage and drop to 10-15 psi for more detailed spraying.

QUOTE: 5. what do you model the most?


Mainly WWII and modern military aircraft, with an occasional car, especially if it's a Porsche. Wink [;)]

QUOTE: 6. what do you shoot through your brush to change colors/deep clean your airbrush with?


Lacquer thinner for enamels and lacquers, and the mixture that Scott mentioned for Acrylics.

QUOTE: i just came from my LHS and the guy there said he talked the winner of some local model contest and ask him these 5 questions and the one that floored me was his home psi. his home psi for all spraying was 40psi!!! i was curious as to how many modellers used this kind of psi on there projects.


It can be done but control of overspray would be tough on precise camo patterns and such.

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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  • From: Bicester, England
Posted by KJ200 on Friday, March 26, 2004 3:01 AM
Brushes:

Badger 2000 'Old Faithful' Omni 4000 'Shiny new friend'

Paints

Gunze acrylic or Lifecolour acrylic

Mix

50% paint, 50% Tamiya acrylic thinner

PSI

15-20

Subjects

Mainly WWII Luftwaffe

Cleaner

Either dilute screenwash for cars, or just trying dilute Createx.

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

  • Member since
    February 2004
  • From: Humble
Posted by rrmmodeler on Friday, March 26, 2004 4:02 PM
1. first, what brand airbrush is your favorite? Iwata HP-CS

2. with said airbrush, what is your favorite paint brand and is it enamel or acrylic and why? Polly Scale then Tamyia. Easy clean up and also the lack of noticeable fumes.

3. with said paint brand and type, what is your "sweet" concoction to achieve your desired results?(thinning ratio/ brand of thinner/ retarders / mediums/ superlube/ ect.) I thin with distill water with PS and Alcohol with Tamyia. I really don't know what my ratio is. I just go until the mixtures looks like thin milk or just looks for feels right.

4. with said "sweet" concoction, what is your home psi for general spray/ detailing? 10 to 15 psi.

5. what do you model the most? WW2 Aircraft, normally American and Japanese. But I have done some German planes as well. I was into armor for a while and may still go back some day. All the armor I have built have been German.

6. what do you shoot through your brush to change colors/deep clean your airbrush with? I normally spray one color then clean the airbrush and come back later to do another. So I rarely spray more than one color during a spraying session. This mainly because of time. When I go to clean I run windex through until its clear, then I clean the paint bowel, then spray some more windex through the brush. Then I use a cotton swap to clean the nozells and the needle tip very carfully of course. Then I run some water through the bush and I am done. Every month or so I take the brush completes apart and clean her up with Windex or Material Sprits. But I do not soak the brush just clean every thing I can get to with a cotton swap or with a micro brush.
As for 40 psi. Way to much for my hose. I have to use a split in water trap and if I go at 35 or mor psi the hose will blow apart at the water trap.
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    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 26, 2004 10:44 PM
QUOTE: 1. first, what brand airbrush is your favorite?


Right now it's a toss up between the Badger 150 and the Paasche H

QUOTE: 2. with said airbrush, what is your favorite paint brand and is it enamel or acrylic and why?


I prefer to use Testor's Acryl.

QUOTE: 3. with said paint brand and type, what is your "sweet" concoction to achieve your desired results?(thinning ratio/ brand of thinner/ retarders / mediums/ superlube/ ect.)


Concoction?!? What's that?

QUOTE: 4. with said "sweet" concoction, what is your home psi for general spray/ detailing?


I listen to everyone else and dial the compressor up to 20psi.

QUOTE: 5. what do you model the most?


I'm starting to find that what I do most is made for War Hammer 40k I don't play the game, but my LHS only has that for Sci-Fi. I might be buying from MonstersinMotion soon but that creates problems that I won't go into (wrong topic after all.

I think my passion is building rather than painting, as long as the build isn't tedious.

QUOTE: 6. what do you shoot through your brush to change colors/deep clean your airbrush with?


Just water. The Paasche came with a huge bottle. I keep it full. But I am really still new to multi color painting.
  • Member since
    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 27, 2004 12:29 AM
1. Fave airbrush = Iwata HP-CS.
2. Fave paint = Tamiya Acrylic. Sprays great, smells great and cleans up easily with water and Windex.
3. I always use 1 part Tamiya X-20A thinner to 1 part paint for general spraying, then for details I'll switch to 3 parts thinner to 1 part paint. I always use Medea Supa Lube on the airbrush needle to help delay the onset of tip-dry and just to lubricate the airbrush. action.
4. Air pressure for general spraying = 15psi. For detail work I drop it to around 10 psi.
5. Mostly WW2 fighters. (Allied or Luftwaffe)
6. For airbrush cleaning I shoot water and Windex. I clean up the colour cup with Windex and swish it around with a soft paint brush.

Good topic Salty! I'm surprised a few more people haven't responded. It certainly makes interesting reading and educational to boot.

Cheers....Snowy.
  • Member since
    August 2003
  • From: Alice Springs Australia
Posted by tweety1 on Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:31 AM
1. first, what brand airbrush is your favorite?
ATM, Omni 4000

2. with said airbrush, what is your favorite paint brand and is it enamel or acrylic and why?
Tamiya and Gunze acrylics, both work really well for me.

3. with said paint brand and type, what is your "sweet" concoction to achieve your desired results?(thinning ratio/ brand of thinner/ retarders / mediums/ superlube/ ect.)
Still working on it, used to be a mix of 60/40 paint and X20A thinner

4. with said "sweet" concoction, what is your home psi for general spray/ detailing?
From 15 to 20 psi

5. what do you model the most?
WW2 aircraft, but have modelled everything inbetween.

6. what do you shoot through your brush to change colors/deep clean your airbrush with?
Used to be X20A thinner, but just to damn expensive. Dont like the water idea, water around here is just too chockers with minerals. Now I use Isopropanol, cheap as chips, and smells nice.

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