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High end illustrator airbrushes for modelling

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    February 2012
High end illustrator airbrushes for modelling
Posted by Liegghio on Saturday, June 3, 2017 6:37 PM

I'm curious to know if anyone has had experience with very high end airbrushes with models. I currently use mid-range DA airbrushes, a gravity feed Paasche and siphon feed Badger that can produce pencil lines under just the right conditions. The finest nozzles I use are around .25 mm to get that kind of result.

There are very high end tools such as the Badger Sotar, Iwata micro or Harder & Steenbeck that are used by illustrators and have nozzles approaching .1mm. Videos on line show illustrators doing drawings with them in which they are laying down hair-thin rather than pencil-thin lines. 

The thing is these illustrations are, of course, done on forgiving absorbent surfaces  like paper, at very close distance and using very thin inks or other mediums. One of the videos shows the artist using ink that was thinned to 1 drop ink per 8 drops water, and the top H&S model, to do a drawing of a dog's face with hairs individually drawn with the airbrush. In modeling we are using non absorbent surfaces such as plastic or primer and mediums that are thick enough to be opaque. When I try to do a detail on plastic that is smaller than a ball point pen line, the thinned paint sometimes gets blown around on the surface, even at 5 psi.

Aside from the quality action of these upper end ABs it would be interesting to know if anyone has actually been able to, or needed to exploit the capabilities of these types, as opposed to a typical mid-range tool. For example, is it easier to "dial-in" consistently fine work with a top end model? I can afford to upgrade if I wanted but am not sure that the benefit is significant.

  • Member since
    July 2013
  • From: Chicago area
Posted by modelmaker66 on Saturday, June 3, 2017 10:56 PM

I have had a Badger Sotar for a while. Very good brush and yes can do great detail work. Not as  recomended for modelers as illustraters. I purchased a Badger Krome. It has a bigger paint cup and a .22 needle. I think it does a better job for modeling purposes and  has a larger cup and is not as delicate or fragile. I sold the Sotar and stuck with the Krome.

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    March 2003
  • From: Virginia
Posted by Wingman_kz on Sunday, June 4, 2017 3:15 PM
I think theyre fun to play with but not needed. Ive had a Sotar for years and bought it because i guess they were overstocked and sold for under $100. I understand that more recently theyve sold for well under $100. Theres no way i could justify the cost of a Micron. As much as I would like to own one. :-) That said, the Sotar is a very nice brush. I enjoy using it on small subjects for free hand camo. It can do very fine work with a lot of control but is not necessary. I've mostly used it with lacquers and Tamiya acrylics. Some other paints are just too coarse or can't be reduced enough to flow at anything but higher pressures and then you run into the problems mentioned. So, they are specialized tools but if you enjoy airbrushing, don't mind experimenting and can justify the cost then maybe it's worth trying. Tony

            

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Posted by Paul Budzik on Sunday, June 4, 2017 8:28 PM

I own a Micron CM-B. CM-SB, and Kustom CM ... and I rarely use any of them ... they're good for fine weathering and very light material ... I do not recommend them for modeling and model paints.

 

 

Paul

Paul

  • Member since
    February 2012
Posted by Liegghio on Tuesday, June 6, 2017 8:17 PM

Thanks everybody for the input, it seems to be pretty much what I was thinking.

The Badger Krome sounds intriguing. If I get tired of my old Passche VSR90 the Krome is inexpensive enough that it might be worth a try.

This forum is always a great source of help from people sharing their learning.

  • Member since
    December 2013
  • From: Orlando Florida
Posted by route62 on Wednesday, June 7, 2017 8:57 PM

With respect to the others I must disagree.  I have an Olympos Micron 200 which sold the designs to Iwata which comprise most of what makes the Iwata micron.  The parts are interchangable for most of the AB.

I thin the paint down past 50/50, usually 70/30 thinner to paint. I have both the .23 and .18 needle/tip setup.

With this AB I am able to achieve some amazing detail and weathering.  I can deliver paint right inside a panel line on many models.  When the paint is thinned correctly I can add hues and tones panel by panel completely freehand.  I am also able to bring the AB so close to the model that I almost touch the AB tip on the model and even with the paint super thin I get no spidering when pressure is set 8-12psi.

It's not to say that you can't achive amazing results without an AB like this as many on this forum have proven.  This AB just adds another tool in my tool box for allowing me to make each build better.

The Olympos AB Co. went out of business last year but you can find a few new micron 200s on eBay for around $250.  It delivers the same quality and control as the iwata micron for half the price and replacement parts are readily available from iwata.

I have a paasche H, a paasche vsr90, a grex tritium and the micron and I use the micron more than all the airbrushes I have.  The control and percision is second to none.

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