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Think I've angered the AB Gods!

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  • From: Louisiana, for now
Think I've angered the AB Gods!
Posted by Michelle on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 4:53 PM

So, I've got two model kits that are waiting on some kinda paint. Thanks to rain showers the last week or so (I've lost count on the number of days I've been waiting), I've decided today was going to be the day. I've cleaned and prepped as many model parts as I could, made sure both my brushes were cleaned well, paint ready to be thinned and sprayed. Woke up to sunshine today, luckily. Drug everything outside, despite rumbles of thunder threatening me not to do it. Set up my compressor and brushes, set up my cleaning area, fussed at the darkening sky to give me an hour or so. Decided I'd spray just a quick blast of lacquer thinner through just to be extra sure, and there they went. Nothing but bubbles in my bottle no matter what I've tried. I've now torn both brushes down yet again and cleaned them all, put them back together, and have fought them for the last 5 hours trying everything I can find on the wonderful web with no success.

Any thoughts on what could possibly be going wrong that I may be and probably am overlooking. Both brushes are badger, one is a 155 Anthem, other is a 200 NH. Have a Sparmax compressor with the regulator, a water trap, and some other little filter that I don't exactly remember what it is. Tried pressures from 5 to the max I can get, I think 60? but not exactly sure on that...

Please, please, please advise me on what the God's like as bribes so maybe tomorrow I can spray some paint...

Michelle

Michelle

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Posted by mississippivol on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 5:58 PM
I don't have a badger, mine's a Paasche, but when I have that issue, it's because the nozzle doesn't have a tight seal, and it's pulling air in, which creates the back pressure that makes the bubbling occur.
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Posted by route62 on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 6:20 PM

I agree, most likey one of your seals is bad or not seated.

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Posted by patrick206 on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 7:32 PM

I use Badgers, once a friend loaned me one of his to try and when I used it there were bubbles in the cup. On close look I saw the nozzle, (the little cone shaped part that the needle tip passes through,) had a small split. Replaced with new one, worked fine. I believe your 200NH and the 155 use the same type.

If you have your manual handy, its either part 41-004 or 003, depending on the needle size. Also might be a bad seal at the different front bits. Bees wax or Chap Stick can help to seal a bad fit. Sounds like you have sufficiently cleaned, so those are the things that come to mind.

Using very high magnification look closely at the nozzle ends, they are very delicate and don't take well to force, they require gentle handling. If there is a split it will be very noticeable.

Last, have you had a good look at "Don's Airbrush Website" yet? He covers your airbrushes among many others, plenty to be learned there, highly recommended.

Best of luck getting it sorted, please let us know how you do.

Patrick

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Posted by littletimmy on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 8:53 PM

The airbrush gods say ( spoken in a deep god like voice)

You must repaint...... and thin no more !

                      Dont worry about the thumbprint... paint it rust and call it "Battle damage" !

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Posted by littletimmy on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 8:54 PM

Sorry..... I have been waiting years to use that line.......

                      Dont worry about the thumbprint... paint it rust and call it "Battle damage" !

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 9:52 PM

I'm sure Don Wheeler will pop in soon to give you advice on what to do.

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Posted by Michelle on Wednesday, July 12, 2017 10:50 AM

littletimmy

Sorry..... I have been waiting years to use that line.......

 

Thanks for all the advice! So far, my guy and I were able to get one working with the chap stick thing. The one thing I didn't try because I didn't think it would make that much of a difference. It's not my favorite one, but hey... I can at least spray some paint now! Well, as soon as the weather clears up (today, tomorrow, Friday, next month... who knows when)...

Still going to try to get my good one figured out. It's torn down as far as it'll go right now and I'm wanting to cry looking at it, but I trust he'll figure it out for me and get it back together soon. Never realized how protective I was over these babies until he touched them. My now ex husband never had an interest in them, but I've been trying to convince my bf he could be pretty good with a little practice. Now I see I may have to get him his own, as much as these mean to me...

Tommy, thanks so much for the laugh this morning! Took me until my second cup of coffee to realize, kept thinking "How can you thin water..." Then, I giggled when it hit me.

Hopefully, I'll be able to update my two build threads soon with a couple progress pics... Fingers crossed!

Michelle

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Wednesday, July 12, 2017 12:03 PM

One of the airbrushes I have had trouble with when spraying Alclad is a Badger 150.  Even with paint thinner I get bubbles into the jar (suction feed) when I start air flow.  First thing I checked was the teflon washer. It looked okay.  I swapped with the washer in my 200, which was new.  Same thing.  Now, the trouble I have been having with Alclad is most likely clogging somewhere that I am not getting clean, so I am thinking that clogging in some areas may also create airflow into the paint supply.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, July 12, 2017 1:42 PM

You should try not to be stripping them down so often.

 

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Posted by Michelle on Wednesday, July 12, 2017 3:04 PM
The chap stick really must have been the answer! Played around with quite a few colors, thinning ratios, pressures, testing coverages, spraying during a passing rain shower (i know, not exactly smart, but it was barely enough to wet the ground)... It worked! It all worked! Felt good and decided I actually like the lacquer thinner better than the Testors thinner for the flat colors I tried. And only took the head off once after I was finished to make sure by doing a swipe with a damp paper towel. No color at all, so I'm fairly hopefully that I'll be able to start next time with no problems. Fingers still crossed to see what tomorrow brings, but hopeful! Michelle

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Posted by Michelle on Wednesday, July 12, 2017 3:10 PM

GMorrison

You should try not to be stripping them down so often.

 

 

We tried not to, but can't figure out why it won't even spray water, so he wanted to check every movable part to see that it was clean, looked like it was supposed to, fit right, whatever he could check on it. I just took the head sections apart to clean them, and took the needles out to check for a bend, or paint buildup. I almost had a heart attack when I saw my favorite one in all the pieces... Praying once it goes back together I'll never have to see it like that again.

Michelle

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Posted by Don Wheeler on Wednesday, July 12, 2017 4:30 PM

Michelle,

If you haven't already, you might want to look at the paragraphs on Bubbles on this page.  The joint between the nozzle an body has to be clean and smooth or air will blow back into the paint cup.

Don

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Posted by Michelle on Wednesday, July 12, 2017 5:29 PM

Don Wheeler

Michelle,

If you haven't already, you might want to look at the paragraphs on Bubbles on this page.  The joint between the nozzle an body has to be clean and smooth or air will blow back into the paint cup.

Don

 

That was the first place I went to try to figure out what was going on. Cleaned it twice following your directions, just skipped the chap stick. Once I actually put some on the tip, it worked with no problems except the user of the brush, lol.

Got my Anthem back together, going to test it out with some water after I cook supper, then hopefully tomorrow, will be painting more than the spoons I did today!

Thanks for all the work you did on putting that amazing site together!

Michelle

Michelle

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