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Acrylic Retarders
Posted by MusicCity on Friday, March 26, 2004 6:53 AM
I've never used a retarder before, but I think I'm going to see if I can find some locally tomorrow. I can tell you for a fact that none of the local hobby shops are going to have any, but we go have several good-sized artist supply stores around here.

My question is: Are retarders for "Artist" type acrylics and "Model" type acrylics basically the same? I don't really know the difference between the two types of paint other than one is primarily for paper and fabric and the other for plastic.

I'm relatively sure that they are suitable for model use since I saw some posts about people using Createx, Liquitex, Aqua-Flow and Golden brands. Just wanted to check with the experts before I spray something that won't dry until the next century!

Thanks!
Scott Craig -- Nashville, TN -- My Website -- My Models Page
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Posted by MikeV on Friday, March 26, 2004 7:13 AM
Scott,

I think that most of them are compatible with the acrylics that we use for modeling, just get the smallest bottle they sell and experiment with it.
If you use too much then the paint may not dry, so go easy with the stuff. Wink [;)]
When I tried the Aqua-Flow retarder I only used about 2 or 3 drops from an eye dropper mixed with almost two eye droppers of paint and one of thinner and it slowed the drying time down by about 25% maybe.
I have heard of some here using Createx's extender but I don't see how that extends the drying time as the extender is nothing more than paint without pigment. Createx marketed it to thin the transparency of their airbrush paints without really affecting the paint properties. Maybe it will work for extending the drying time but I don't see why. Confused [%-)]

Let us know what you find and how it works out.

Mike

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Posted by MusicCity on Friday, March 26, 2004 7:33 AM
QUOTE:
Let us know what you find and how it works out.

Will do, Mike. I'll see what I can dig up over the weekend. Thanks for the help.

I had seen the Createx Extender somewhere, but, like you, I didn't think it was a retarder so I didn't get any.
Scott Craig -- Nashville, TN -- My Website -- My Models Page
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Posted by MikeV on Friday, March 26, 2004 7:39 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by MusicCity


I had seen the Createx Extender somewhere, but, like you, I didn't think it was a retarder so I didn't get any.


I have a half-full quart bottle of Createx extender so I guess I could try it. Wink [;)]
I use it for spraying onto a T-shirt before painting to get the knap of the shirt's fibers to lay down flat for a smoother surface. I spray it on, heat set it and then it is ready for painting. I still think that adding it to modeling acrylics though will only make them less intense and may even affect the value of the color. I may be wrong though as that is what it does to the Createx paints I have, but they are transparent and not opaque so that may make a difference.

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by MusicCity on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:24 PM
QUOTE:
Let us know what you find and how it works out.

Mike, I found some Createx retarder at the art store Friday but haven't had a chance to try it until tonight.

It really seems to make a difference, and a little bit goes a LONG way. I had mixed quite a bit of dark sea blue for my Corsair, most of a 3/4 oz bottle full, and added 2 drops of retarder to it (the instructions said one drop per ounce but I slipped :)). Before the retarder that paint was dry about 10 seconds after it hit the surface. With the retarder it took about 5 minutes to dry to the touch.

I also tried it with some paint I was trying to hand brush. I had a few drops of paint in an old paint cap, and the surface was drying in the cap in between loading the brush. Virtually unusable like that. Added a drop of retarder and it fixed it right up.

I like it! Thumbs Up [tup]
Scott Craig -- Nashville, TN -- My Website -- My Models Page
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Posted by MikeV on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:49 PM
Scott,

That sounds great. Keep us informed to any other things you find such as whether tip dry is eliminated somewhat. Wink [;)]

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by MusicCity on Thursday, April 1, 2004 7:59 PM
QUOTE: That sounds great. Keep us informed to any other things you find such as whether tip dry is eliminated somewhat. Wink [;)]

Hmm .. I didn't think about the tip dry thing. As I've mentioned before, I just automatically wipe the tip off when I put the airbrush down so I didn't really notice. Now that you mention it though, I don't think there was as much paint on the Q-Tips though.
Scott Craig -- Nashville, TN -- My Website -- My Models Page
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