Please help me make up my mind: HP-CP or Infinity CR Plus?

It is a "feel" thing. Like a racing suspesion over a 4x4 suspension. The H&S is "loose" or not as responsive to minuite trigger movements. The Iwata is more tight and responsive, allowing for a better feel on the trigger pull and theoretically more precise work an control tight in or wide area. It is a personal thing. You have to use what you are confortable with. You need to just buy the one that seems best in your estimation and use it. All the responses may only confuse you. I rarely hear people dissapointed with Iwata. Maybe you should wait until you can try either or both in person to feel it and see it work. If that is not possible than make a choice and build kits.

At the moment the most important thing for me is which one is going to give me better control as a beginner . From what I've read you can pull the same detail with both of them with the 0.2mm needle..I got this...but which one has a better trigger. What do people mean when they say that for the H&S Infinity the trigger is a bit spongy?

Best regards!

I would not listen to a salesperson. They will usually tell you that what they sell is the best.

I had a Harder and Steenbeck Evolution and never got on with it ell. It was alwas spitty and tempermental for me. I had an Iwata HP-CS on the other hand and it was great! Never clogging and really good atomization of paint. I like Iwata even though I use Badger now. I would certainly take Iwata over H&S. The parts are also more readily available for Iwata in general.

Thanks for doing the reviews, but PLEASE don't do blue script on a green background! In fact, don't do script. I can't read it, trying to focus. I feel motion sickness. 

The Infinity is more versatile because you can use a .4, .2 and .15 needle/nozze with it. You will probably use the .4 more than the smaller needes for most jobs.

I'd flip a coin. Maybe best 2 out of 3. And whichever I went with, I'd order a spare needle and tip. Just in case... :-)

Tony

It all depends on how much you want to invest in an airbrush. If I were you, read Don Wheeler's website and reviews and make up your own mind.

Here's the link to his website:

https://sites.google.com/site/donsairbrushtips/home

I have an Iwata Medea and the H&S Infinity.  Unfortunately, I bent the needle on the Infinity about 2 days after I got it.  The open design of the needle cap leaves the needle exposed, and when I tried to put it back in one of my AB holders I missed the hole and jammed the needle right into the edge of the holder, bending it badly. 

The needle cap on the Iwata doesn't have that cut-away design, and I don't worry about it as much.  So even though I bought a replacement needle for the Infinity, I don't use it as much as the Iwata because I worry about bending it again.  I don't really like the exposed nature of the needle cap on the Infinity.

Cheers, Mark

I can only speak of the Iwata brand, but I dont think a salesperson at a shop is the best person to give advise from my pov as he/she just want to make a sale, unless they are modelers how own an AB.

Almost any quality AB, if looked after, will provide years of maintenace free service. Just a proper clean and oil on a regular basis and your right to go.

I have read far more stories of people buying other brands, as a new item, only to find something was wrong with it and had to send it back to the manufacture for repair/replacement.

Hold the AB you have short listed, get an idea how it feels in your hand, and think about what type of work you will use it for, then make a decision.

I would personaly buy an Iwata over other brands beacuse of their reputation, build quality, reliability and users highly regard them, end of story.

I am curious about how they hold up over time. One guy at the shop praised the iwatas but said that the h&s airbrushes are nothing special as they are all the same and they do not last too long. He said that he knows someone who's airbrush stopped working overnight. He said that one day his friend worked with it and the following day he found the nozzle destroyed. Idk if this thing is possible or he was just trying really hard to sell me on Iwatas. (Idk why would he do that tho..because he had no hp-c+ in stock...but he made it very clear that he prefers iwatas). The guy at the first shop seemed a little bit more relaxed...not trying to sell me on anything and actually trying to help me. He didn't praise any one of them. He told me that both are good. That in the many years he sold h&s airbrushes noone complained . (He was selling only h&s and didn't stock iwatas). He also pointed out that both are good but the infinity has interchangable cups and an easier to clean system...and with the 2 in one setup i have pretty much all i need. 

What do you think?

Are h&s brushes known to break faster than the iwatas? Or was the guy just trying to sell me an iwata a bit too hard.

How solid are those two compared? I am mainly asking the guys that have both.

When you say paint automatisation what do you mean? 

Which one feels snappier and gives me better control so that when i pull back the trigger i will know exactly what to expect.


The guy at the first shop told me that he will get the infinity 2 in 1 setup soon.. and that he can hold it for me so I can try it out and see if I like it. What should I look for when I try it for the first time in my hand? What are the details that I have to pay attention to?

Please give me more info and pieces of advice.


Beat regards!

This is my summary of Iwata in general.

Iwata Eclipse CS .35mm - Excellent all round AB which I use for small delicate work thru to medium projects. I find it easy to clean/maintain running lacquer thinner thru after each painting session with no issues. I would highly recommend, depending on use, to strip down and clean every week or so using the super lube where nessesary.

Iwata Revolution CR .5mm - Very good for medium to larger paint projects, personally I purchased this as an interim to a minature spary gun to paint primer, top coat and varnish over larger areas. Again, an easy to clean and maintain AB, and I run lacquer thinner through after every paint session with no issues. As with the Eclipse CS a strip down once in a while and lubrication will ensure a very long service life.

Note: I use lacquer thinners as I have an extraction system that vents externally. if you dont use an extraction system, extreme caution must be taken and the use of a respirator with proper filters is a must.

I have run the Eclipse since Dec 16 and used it at least 6-12 times a week, with absoluley no issues and performs the same as when new. The Revolution I only purchased about 2 months ago, but as with the Eclipse, is performing with no issues whats so ever. Both can spary hairline up to about a 30-40mm round spary pattern. The Eclipes can be altered to a .5mm which I couldnt see the point, as I was always going to purchase another AB.

I looked at Paasche, Badger, Aztek and other brands before I got the Eclipse, but felt the quality with the Iwata was superior.

I hope this provides you with an overview of the Quality of the Iwata AB.

I just got my H&S CR Infinity Plus 2 in 1 and I can't wait to try it out.  It feels so solid in my hands.  I'm upgrading from a Badger 150...which I don't have any complaints about.  Just wanted something better

Hi Mihai.

Both great brushes, I did a review on the H&S and the Plus that might help, you can click below to have a look. 

Cheers from Mick.