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Benefits of having a second airbrush
Posted by laskdjn on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 9:31 AM

Currently my only airbrush is an Iwata HP-CS Eclipse with the .35mm nozzle/needle setup.

I was looking at the Iwata Revolution with the .5mm nozzle/needle and I was try to discern if it was worth it to have the second one.

 

So my questions are these:  Would it be worth it to get the .5mm Revolution to complement my .35mm Eclipse?  Also, what would the Revolution be able to do that my Eclipse can't?  In general, aside from convenience sake, is it even worth it to have a second airbrush considering I almost strictly do 1/48 scale model airplanes and 1/35 scale armor, but am willing to try my hand at 1/350 model ships?

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Posted by Wingman_kz on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 10:26 AM
You can never have too many airbrushes. :-) I don't know that the Revolution would do anything the Eclipse can't but it's a good brush and having a spare never hurt. Tony

            

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Posted by Paul Budzik on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 11:42 AM

Defintly worth having more than one airbrush ... for what you say you build, I would highly recommend the Iwata HP-TH 

https://www.amazon.com/Iwata-HP-TH-Airbrush-japan/dp/B004DUHUKG

 

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Posted by laskdjn on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 12:05 PM

Paul Budzik

Defintly worth having more than one airbrush ... for what you say you build, I would highly recommend the Iwata HP-TH 

https://www.amazon.com/Iwata-HP-TH-Airbrush-japan/dp/B004DUHUKG

 

 

 

Paul, I appreciate your suggestion.  A few questions, though.  What is the purpose of this particular airbrush?  I'm guessing wide area painting.  I saw your video on youtube regarding large airbrushes.  Also, I don't have a paint booth, just a desk in my living room, I saw one review of this suggesting you need a booth, what would be your thoughts on this?

 

Also, I know it wouldn't be the same as the HP-TH, but what if I got a .5mm nozzle for my HP-CS?

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Posted by route62 on Wednesday, August 09, 2017 1:58 PM

I have 4 airbrushes that all answered different needs as my skills increased.  I started like many with a passche H as it was easy to learn and use and was inexpensive.  As I got better at airbrushing i wanted better control and finer lines so i got a paasche VSR90.  

Later I wanted finer atomization and also be able to spray in a fan spray pattern so I got a Grex Tritium.  Finally I picked up an Olympos 200 for ultimate fine detail.

Much of what each airbrush can do cross over from one model to the other and if I could do it again I would get an airbrush like the grex trituim that can go from a fine detail brush all the way to to a broad fan spray and an airbrush like the Olympos, a super fine detail airbrush.

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Posted by modelmaker66 on Thursday, August 10, 2017 2:26 AM

In short, it will cover a larger area in less time, flow heavier paints and clear coats easier and is a good airbrush. Will it be a HUGE change, no. Is it necessary, no.

That said, I have a Badger Krome with a .22 setup for detail work, and a Badger Patriot 105 with a .7 setup for larger jobs. With that difference in needle size, yes, I see a marked difference and utilize the right one for the job. .35 and .5 may not be a great swing in performance by every bit helps I suppose and Iwata are great airbrushes. Let us know what you choose to do.

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Posted by Jon_a_its on Thursday, August 10, 2017 3:36 AM

I have an Iwata HP-CS Eclipse with the .35mm AND .5mm nozzle/needle setup.

You will also need to swap the headset (01 needle & 02 Nozzle cap) not just the needle 17  & nozzle 04.

Parts Diagram: https://airbrushes.com/parts_info.php?cPath=1_9_47&products_id=18

Parts 01,02, 04 & 17 are specific to the 0.35 OR 0.5 set, & 01-02 are very easy to mix up. (don't ask how I know)

I spray mostly Badger STYRENZ (sp), Vallejo AIR and Humbrol varnishes & most of the time  I use the 0.5mm headset & needle.

95% of my spraying is with the 0.5 set as primers especially require a higher pressure & will suffer less from tip-dry & blockages.

If I could afford it I would have seperate  airbrushes, 0.5 on the one with the bigger cup, & 0.35 for finer work.

 

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Posted by laskdjn on Thursday, August 10, 2017 9:14 AM

Jon_a_its

I have an Iwata HP-CS Eclipse with the .35mm AND .5mm nozzle/needle setup.

You will also need to swap the headset (01 needle & 02 Nozzle cap) not just the needle 17  & nozzle 04.

Parts Diagram: https://airbrushes.com/parts_info.php?cPath=1_9_47&products_id=18

Parts 01,02, 04 & 17 are specific to the 0.35 OR 0.5 set, & 01-02 are very easy to mix up. (don't ask how I know)

I spray mostly Badger STYRENZ (sp), Vallejo AIR and Humbrol varnishes & most of the time  I use the 0.5mm headset & needle.

95% of my spraying is with the 0.5 set as primers especially require a higher pressure & will suffer less from tip-dry & blockages.

If I could afford it I would have seperate  airbrushes, 0.5 on the one with the bigger cup, & 0.35 for finer work.

 

 

 

So, you use the bigger needle for overall spray coverage and the smaller needle for detail work?

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Thursday, August 10, 2017 5:54 PM

Hmmm... I own 2. A plain ol' simple Paasche airbrush and an Iwata Neo dual action airbrush. I'd love to get my hands on a Harder & Steenbeck airbrush.

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Posted by laskdjn on Thursday, August 10, 2017 8:16 PM

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

Hmmm... I own 2. A plain ol' simple Paasche airbrush and an Iwata Neo dual action airbrush. I'd love to get my hands on a Harder & Steenbeck airbrush.

 

 

What do you use each one for?  Or are they interchangeable in the way you use them? 

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Posted by Jon_a_its on Friday, August 11, 2017 2:59 AM

laskdjn

 So, you use the bigger needle for overall spray coverage and the smaller needle for detail work?

In essence, yes, the 0.5 set is more forgiving of the thicker primers where the 0.35 set require considerable thinning even just to spray the same stuff.

I freehand sprayed this AAVP7 with Vallejo Polyeurethane Primer, Tamiya NATO colours & VallejoAir.

here: http://www.eastmidsmodelclub.co.uk/hobbyboss-aavp7.html
and Here: http://www.eastmidsmodelclub.co.uk/wips.html

So the smaller set may not be necessary for you, unless you are planning braille-scale or German Ambush schemes Wink

On the other hand, the cost of a new Iwata headset & needle is a considerable part towards another airbrush, & it's always good to have another tool in your setup? 

 

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Friday, August 11, 2017 8:54 AM

Hmmm;

 Harder and Steenbeck ? Don't hold your breath .They aren't that common . But they are the absolute best . I have a Binks and an old Badger that was a gift in 1980 . They both perform admirably . My Binks is a leftover from my shop rig . It came with the rig as a thank you from Binks for having a shopwide Binks Air system installed

 What I like about the Badger is the needles seem to be stronger than anyone elses . All parts ever needed are still available .

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Posted by laskdjn on Friday, August 11, 2017 10:17 AM

Jon_a_its

 

 
laskdjn

 So, you use the bigger needle for overall spray coverage and the smaller needle for detail work?

 

In essence, yes, the 0.5 set is more forgiving of the thicker primers where the 0.35 set require considerable thinning even just to spray the same stuff.

I freehand sprayed this AAVP7 with Vallejo Polyeurethane Primer, Tamiya NATO colours & VallejoAir.

here: http://www.eastmidsmodelclub.co.uk/hobbyboss-aavp7.html
and Here: http://www.eastmidsmodelclub.co.uk/wips.html

So the smaller set may not be necessary for you, unless you are planning braille-scale or German Ambush schemes Wink

On the other hand, the cost of a new Iwata headset & needle is a considerable part towards another airbrush, & it's always good to have another tool in your setup? 

 

 

Coming from someone who operated AAVs in the USMC, that looks very accurate.  And that was with the .5mm? 

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