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Just an Observation
Posted by Doc Ward on Saturday, September 02, 2017 8:45 PM

I recently got one of the coupons for 40% off at Hobby Lobby and went out and bought a Paasche H airbrush. For a long time I've used a Badger 250 that my wife got me as a gift. I've gotten some OK paintjobs out of it, some not so OK paintjobs out of it, and generally wondered why I can't get consistently good results.

I'm in the middle of painting a P-47 and the H is just... WOW! It is like night and day. I practiced a bit on a large piece of paper in my booth, and then tried the P-47 and I am amazed by the difference. Even coverage, easy to control, uses so little paint compared to the Badger, and almost intuitive. With a little practice, I'm not sure where I will be!

Gotta say, doctor, your talent for alienatin' folk is near miraculous.

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Posted by Retired In Kalifornia on Saturday, September 02, 2017 9:19 PM

Doc Ward

I recently got one of the coupons for 40% off at Hobby Lobby and went out and bought a Paasche H airbrush. For a long time I've used a Badger 250 that my wife got me as a gift. I've gotten some OK paintjobs out of it, some not so OK paintjobs out of it, and generally wondered why I can't get consistently good results.

I'm in the middle of painting a P-47 and the H is just... WOW! It is like night and day. I practiced a bit on a large piece of paper in my booth, and then tried the P-47 and I am amazed by the difference. Even coverage, easy to control, uses so little paint compared to the Badger, and almost intuitive. With a little practice, I'm not sure where I will be!

 

I'd used the Badger 150 & variants from late 1978 to 1990, good solid brush, pain to clean. Slot-Top Model 100SG had high hopes for, paint spitting, limited rotational ability side to side tip to end without paint flowing out of slot really irritating, "too sophisticated" for me to use then.

When the Aztek 3000S came on the market bought one, Instant Total Love with self-contained nozzle assembly, solved all problems doing drip-level detail painting, drop-tip damage much less problematic though assembly cleaning took awhile after heavy painting work.

Know lotta modelers hate Azteks, damaged more than I can count through improper care, lately have settled on Model A320 Single Action for large area spraying with paint cup (easiest to clean of all the Azteks have used), Model A420 Double Action strictly for drop-level detail work (clean just the nozzle assembly & receptacle seal in airbrush body), nothing else has worked better for me - so far.

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, September 02, 2017 10:17 PM

I don't know how you stuck with the 250 for so long. I had one as a teenager and did not use it long. I suppose if I had a compressor I might have. But off the propellant cans it was a big turn off. Later I got myself a 350 and used that for 20+ years. A superb cost effective brush to learn with. I just used it till it was falling apart. Then I picked up a secondhand Thayer and Chandler brush and that one really showed me about fine line work. I tried our AMPS chapter loaner Grex pistol grip brush, but did not care for that one. Now I am using a Master double action that I got for free.., it's not the best, but I've learned how to use a double action (and the different assembly & cleaning) so when it's time to replace it, I'll be ready for a good quality double action.

 

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Posted by Retired In Kalifornia on Saturday, September 02, 2017 10:40 PM

stikpusher

I don't know how you stuck with the 250 for so long. I had one as a teenager and did not use it long. I suppose if I had a compressor I might have. But off the propellant cans it was a big turn off. Later I got myself a 350 and used that for 20+ years. A superb cost effective brush to learn with. I just used it till it was falling apart. Then I picked up a secondhand Thayer and Chandler brush and that one really showed me about fine line work. I tried our AMPS chapter loaner Grex pistol grip brush, but did not care for that one. Now I am using a Master double action that I got for free.., it's not the best, but I've learned how to use a double action (and the different assembly & cleaning) so when it's time to replace it, I'll be ready for a good quality double action.

 

Double Action brush is essential for mottle painting particularly blend tracing around mottles with base colors afterwards for me, extra paint thinning necessary to minimize splattering - but not too much.

Most challenging were two Supermodel C.D.R.A. CANT Z.1007bis done several years ago, mottle patterns very difficult, still not satified with results, should try again - maybe.

Mottling paint work with Badger 100SG & 150 on Heller Bf-109F, G & K kits I did late 1980s were memorial, just wished I'd not given them away...

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, September 02, 2017 10:52 PM

if you don't have a double action, you can achive similar results dialing your pressure down. I have done some decent mottle work with my single action brushes. 

 

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U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by Don Wheeler on Saturday, September 02, 2017 11:06 PM

You can get a good paint job with a Badger 250.  But, it actually takes more skill and practice than the more complex airbrushes.

Don

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  • From: Sunny So. Cal... The OC
Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, September 02, 2017 11:50 PM

Don Wheeler

You can get a good paint job with a Badger 250.  But, it actually takes more skill and practice than the more complex airbrushes.

Don

 

That I imagine. With enough determination and practice, one can master any tool. And of course figuring out the techniques required to achieve the results desired. My next project with a borrowed 150 after using my 250 were not much better. It was my 350 where I got serious and was able to achieve the stuff I saw in magazines and in hobby shop display cases. 

As much as a decent airbrush is essential, so is a reliable air source beyond those propellant cans. 

One point I might add, aside from factory applied paint jobs, I think is modelers take more care and finesse on a paint scheme than is found on the real subject when we airbrush. The real ones often show all sorts of sloppiness.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by Doc Ward on Sunday, September 03, 2017 7:33 AM

stikpusher

I don't know how you stuck with the 250 for so long. I had one as a teenager and did not use it long. I suppose if I had a compressor I might have. But off the propellant cans it was a big turn off.  

I used it with a compressor for most of the time I had it. I got some OK paintjobs out of it, a couple that I found fairly satisfying after a bit of polishing, but the results were always inconsistent, even though I worked hard to do the same thing each time. At one point I even took notes!

The fact that my wife got it for me made me want it to work for me also.

Gotta say, doctor, your talent for alienatin' folk is near miraculous.

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Posted by Doc Ward on Sunday, September 03, 2017 7:39 AM

Retired In Kalifornia

Double Action brush is essential for mottle painting particularly blend tracing around mottles with base colors afterwards for me, extra paint thinning necessary to minimize splattering - but not too much.

Right now my goal is to achieve at least journeyman results on straight paintjobs on aircraft and cars, especially the glossy paint of a car with minimal orange peel. I don't think I have much of anything in my cache of kits that has a mottled paintjob. If I do, I will cross that bridge when i get to it!

Gotta say, doctor, your talent for alienatin' folk is near miraculous.

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