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New Iwata HP-CS
Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 28, 2004 2:46 PM
I bought this brush and now my badger is out of work, best airbrush I have ever used, very easy to use and does lines and full sprays without having to change the needle, I am in heaven.Big Smile [:D] Thanks all on this forum for recommending this fine airbrush
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Posted by MikeV on Sunday, March 28, 2004 3:04 PM
HP-CW? Confused [%-)]

Mike

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Posted by saltydog on Sunday, March 28, 2004 3:20 PM
mike, i think he meant to hit the "s" key and instead hit the "w" by accident. anyway, congratulations my friend, im a new iwata user myself and my omni 5000 is collecting dust ever since ive had it. i broke out the omni last night because it looked pitiful lying over there on the edge of my workbench. filled it with paint, began spraying, and it just reminds me that the iwata is well worth the extra money. 6 months ago, i thought i had purchased the airbrush for me, but since purchasing the iwata, ive seen the light. my airbrushing experience (while limited) with the iwata have been phenomenal. i would recommend the iwata to the beginner as myself, or the master. happy airbrushing my friend. later.
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Posted by MikeV on Sunday, March 28, 2004 3:22 PM
Chris,

Send that poor Omni 5000 over here and I'll show you that it can hold it's own against any Japanese airbrush. Tongue [:P] Wink [;)]

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Posted by saltydog on Sunday, March 28, 2004 3:37 PM
probably so mike, probably so. LOL. i just prefer the iwata because it is easier for me to achieve the results im looking for and it feels better in my hand. i seem to be able to do that unexplainable little extra umph with the iwata that i couldnt quite achieve with the omni. i know that that is operator error most likely. i am well aware that a half way decent airbrusher could airbrush circles around me with him using an omni and me using an iwata. i know the quality of an airbrush is only as good as the experience of the user. im not saying the omni is subpar at all. im just testifying as to what saltydog as experienced in my very limited experience. but to answer your question, im not really comfortable with giving up my first love quite yet.Big Smile [:D] later.Wink [;)]
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Posted by MikeV on Sunday, March 28, 2004 4:10 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by saltydog

i just prefer the iwata because it is easier for me to achieve the results im looking for and it feels better in my hand. i seem to be able to do that unexplainable little extra umph with the iwata that i couldnt quite achieve with the omni.


Whatever works for you is the best one to use my friend. Big Smile [:D]Wink [;)]

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Posted by saltydog on Sunday, March 28, 2004 4:19 PM
anyway mike, havent you been given ENOUGH airbrushes already!!!!!Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Tongue [:P]
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Posted by MikeV on Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:01 PM
You can never be too old, too rich, or have too many airbrushes. Laugh [(-D] Wink [;)]

Mike

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Posted by saltydog on Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:09 PM
amen to that brother!!!!Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 29, 2004 6:32 PM
or have too many gf's (wifes dont count Wink [;)])

im thinking of that... airbrush budget shot up to $70 now
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Posted by plasticmod992 on Monday, March 29, 2004 6:38 PM
Good man! He ahs seen the light! Although really like my recently purchased Omni 6000 too. But by far Iwata takes the cake.
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Posted by stinger on Monday, March 29, 2004 8:35 PM
I'm with you all the way on the HP-CS. Got mine last June and I haven't looked back.
I know, MikeV, I haven't tried the omni, but right now I don't see a need to. Maybe just for the heck of it, I'll have to buy one and try it. Or is it just a "Buy America" thing?
Anyway, Mike, we all appreciate your point of view, and thank you for it.!

I'll let you know when I get my Omni.

stinger

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Posted by MikeV on Monday, March 29, 2004 8:47 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by stinger


I know, MikeV, I haven't tried the omni, but right now I don't see a need to.


No problem Stinger. What works for you is the airbrush to use my friend. Wink [;)]

QUOTE: Maybe just for the heck of it, I'll have to buy one and try it. Or is it just a "Buy America" thing?


Being American made is a big plus to me but Badger's customer service is what makes their products shine.

QUOTE: Anyway, Mike, we all appreciate your point of view, and thank you for it.!


I appreciate the kind words Stinger. Thanks.
I also appreciate the input I hear from all of you fellow modelers. I have learned a lot from all of you on this forum and hope to learn even more. Wink [;)]

QUOTE: I'll let you know when I get my Omni.


You do that. Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by stinger on Monday, March 29, 2004 9:05 PM
QUOTE:
I appreciate the kind words Stinger. Thanks.
I also appreciate the input I hear from all of you fellow modelers. I have learned a lot from all of you on this forum and hope to learn even more. Wink [;)]
Mike


As well, we appreciate your's! Smile [:)]

Long live this forum!!

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 29, 2004 9:32 PM
i like the hp-bs more and also the hp-bh (highline)
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Posted by roosterfish on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:17 AM
Airbrushes, in general, will all do the same thing and that is to lay a coat of liquid material on an object. Most airbrushes properly maintained do this well.

Spray cans and airbrushes do the same thing; they spray paint. But an airbrush can spray finer, nicer, and easier with more refinement than a clumsy spray can.

Airbrushes quality and feel is subjective and is a learning experience. Some people prefer Chevy over Ford and some like Hondas and Toyotas. Some people like all-meat versus combo pizzas. People can and do argue the virtues of owning a Nikon or Canon camera. And some people like an Iwata over Badger or Thayer & Chandler. It is all subjective with no concrete answer.

It is all debatable but in order to debate the best airbrush argument shouldn’t a debater try all airbrushes in question before arguing the merits of airbrushes?

That said I will add I prefer the Iwata over Badgers and Thayer & Chandler airbrushes. I’m from reverse learning. I started with and bought one of the first Iwata airbrushes in this country in 1983 when all the artists used Paasche airbrushes. I still use that Iwata HP-C. Now I use, along with the HP-C, an HP-A and HP-CR. I also have a Badger 100sg, Thayer & Chandler Vega Nailaire and Omni 4000 to play with. I tried the other brands because I wanted to see what if they were better for me. I really tried and I finally went back to the Iwata airbrush because of the extra quality the company gives.

The Iwata airbrush feel is subjective but this is my opinion. The finish on it is of higher quality. The chrome plating is nice and heavy, and is slicker than the others. They have less slack and tighter manufacturing control for a more reassuring feel to the operating mechanism. It is simply smoother operating. The paint cups are smoother and easier to wipe clean. The balance feels better and I don’t mind handling it all day. The parts, while initially more expensive, are of better quality and do not wear out as my 21 year old HP-C will verify. As an example people complain about an Iwata needle costing more but they do not realize that the needle is made from a far more durable and costlier to make stainless steel. If you have to replace a less durable needle in another company’s airbrush then in the long run the cheaper airbrush part costs more. The Iwata will last and perform longer and better for a longer time. I’ve never had to replace a part on my ancient HP-C and I’ve sprayed gallons of everything except pesticide through it.

It reminds me of people driving cars. You can buy American quality with less durable, cheaper and more frequently replaced parts or buy foreign parts that cost more, perform better and last longer. I prefer long lasting performance rather than mediocre airbrushes. What do you want to drive? A Lumina, Taurus or Camry? Cars might have the advantage in that you can test drive them before you pay money. People cannot “test drive” airbrushes before they buy them.

Let me reverse a declaration on this thread: Send that poor Iwata over here and I'll show you that it can hold it's own against any American airbrush.
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Posted by saltydog on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:08 AM
i agree whole heartedly with you billy. well said. later.
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Posted by MikeV on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:22 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by roosterfish


Airbrushes quality and feel is subjective and is a learning experience. Some people prefer Chevy over Ford and some like Hondas and Toyotas. Some people like all-meat versus combo pizzas. People can and do argue the virtues of owning a Nikon or Canon camera. And some people like an Iwata over Badger or Thayer & Chandler. It is all subjective with no concrete answer.


That is very true and I would agree.

QUOTE: It is all debatable but in order to debate the best airbrush argument shouldn’t a debater try all airbrushes in question before arguing the merits of airbrushes?


We weren't arguing what the "best airbrush" was. I was asked why I liked the Omni and I answered. Beyond that, even if you could try every airbrush made then your opinion is still going to be subjective as you already stated. Wink [;)]

QUOTE:
As an example people complain about an Iwata needle costing more but they do not realize that the needle is made from a far more durable and costlier to make stainless steel. If you have to replace a less durable needle in another company’s airbrush then in the long run the cheaper airbrush part costs more. The Iwata will last and perform longer and better for a longer time. I’ve never had to replace a part on my ancient HP-C and I’ve sprayed gallons of everything except pesticide through it.


What about tips? A tip for your HP-C from Dixie Art is $25.95 compared to the tip for an Omni 4000 which is $2.79. I can buy almost ten tips for the price of one Iwata and I guarantee those ten will outlast one Iwata. Big Smile [:D]

QUOTE: It reminds me of people driving cars. You can buy American quality with less durable, cheaper and more frequently replaced parts or buy foreign parts that cost more, perform better and last longer. I prefer long lasting performance rather than mediocre airbrushes.


I think that's a bad analogy and is not really true.
I think a better analogy would be that Badger's are like MAC tools and Iwata's are like Snap-On.
Both are equally adapt at doing what they were intended for but one just has prettier chrome. Laugh [(-D]
If you feel that Badger airbrushes are "mediocre" you are entitled to that opinion, it doesn't bother me.

QUOTE: What do you want to drive? A Lumina, Taurus or Camry? Cars might have the advantage in that you can test drive them before you pay money. People cannot “test drive” airbrushes before they buy them.


While that is true, a test drive does not tell you the longevity of the product so first impressions mean very little. I have never said that Iwata was not a good airbrush, in fact I have posted on this in the past and said they were excellent.

QUOTE: Let me reverse a declaration on this thread: Send that poor Iwata over here and I'll show you that it can hold it's own against any American airbrush.


Who said it couldn't? For the price it better hold it's own against American made airbrushes. Wink [;)]

What does all of this prove? Only that airbrushes are a personal thing and everyone has their favorites. I am sure Iwata as well as H&S, Olympos, Sata and others are all awesome instruments and may be even better than a Badger, but customer service and loyalty to it's customers is something that these others will probably never be able to compete with Badger on. Wink [;)]

Mike

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Posted by maddafinga on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:01 PM


QUOTE: What do you want to drive? A Lumina, Taurus or Camry? Cars might have the advantage in that you can test drive them before you pay money. People cannot “test drive” airbrushes before they buy them.



Hey!! I drive a Lumina LTZ and it's a great, great car. Before this one I had a Taurus and the transmission completely died at 90 thousand miles. That was when I bought the Lumina. It's as fast as my Camaro was, bigger and more comfy than my Taurus was (and my mom's Camry is for that matter) and the only problem I've had with it in 3 years and 110 thousand miles is an alternator replacement. I have to say I love this car more than any other car I've owned. It's been more trouble free than my mom's Toyota has been. Just a little plug for Chevy here Smile [:)]There aren't really any absolutes.

I haven't used an Omni fwiw, though I'd like to.
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Posted by saltydog on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:01 PM
im a chevy man myself josh, i have the Z-71 as its just the "contractor" thing to drive!Wink [;)] ive thought about buying a ford f-350 but my eyeball keeps going back to the chevy 2500 HD. i used to be an omni man, but now im an iwata man. its just a good, quality brush period. later.
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Posted by MikeV on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:51 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by saltydog

i used to be an omni man, but now im an iwata man. its just a good, quality brush period. later.


And that's what it's all about Chris. If one brand pleases you more than another then use it regardless of what I or anyone else have to say about the brands we prefer.
I think all of the major airbrush companies produce products capable of anything the user so desires to paint. Some fit certain hands better than others, some are better balanced than others, and some have a nicer finish with a smoother action.
It all depends on what you like and what you are willing to pay. I would imagine that if I had bought an Iwata twelve years ago when I first started airbrushing then I may be loyal to them only as first impressions can often decide what brand you will buy next.
I started with a Paasche VL and liked it a lot until I bought my first Thayer & Chandler Vega 2000 which was smoother, fit my hand better and allowed me to paint T-shirts better as soon as I started using it. I was then hooked on Thayer & Chandler's airbrushes and when they went out of business and Badger took them over I became a Badger advocate, as I feel they are making them as good as T&C did and have even come up with some innovations that are unique and patented such as the Badger 360 design and the Anthem, 360, Omni Matrix needle design.
As I have said before I would like to try an Iwata but I know that if I sent them an email to send me one to try they would say no as they are not that kind of company.
If I was well known they might, but for a "Mr. nobody" like me they could care less about winning me over. Big Smile [:D]Wink [;)]

Mike

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Posted by maddafinga on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:52 PM
Hey, it might be worth it to try Mike. Tell them you're going to do a comparison on a modeling website and post the results. The worst thing they could do is say no. And maybe have you put under government surveillance, and arrested for fraud, and send a swat team after you and your family, and burn your house down. Egads, they really are an evil corporation to the very core!!

hehe

Sorry, that was goofy.
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Posted by maddafinga on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:53 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by saltydog

im a chevy man myself josh, i have the Z-71 as its just the "contractor" thing to drive!Wink [;)] ive thought about buying a ford f-350 but my eyeball keeps going back to the chevy 2500 HD. i used to be an omni man, but now im an iwata man. its just a good, quality brush period. later.


I love the new front grill on those new Chevy and GMC trucks. Best looking truck I've seen since the 60's. Not that I was born back then, but I've seen the leftover vehicles.
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Posted by saltydog on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:04 AM
well said mike. and hey, there is One whom we both know that loves diversity!
whats funny is, the dust settles on the last "best airbrush" posts and low and behold another pops up on the horizon and we all go right into it with our sleeves rolled up. like you say, there is just no way that one airbrush can be the best. no way!! for saltydog, its the iwata. for mikeV its the badger. and there are even some that swear by their aztecs.
i will say this, the chrome finish on the iwata had nothing to do with my choice as to purchase the thing or not. i wanted another gravity feed brush with a color cup cap is all. i looked at the omni 4000 for quite some time. but during that time, i kept reading wonderfully positive posts about the iwata. i checked them out and saw the hp-c with the color cup cap and said hey, i already have an omni, why not try the iwata brand just to see what the fuss is all about. im glad i did. quality drips from these brushes and there accessories. and the finish i can achieve is top notch to ME. i tell you, one of the most impressive things about the iwata(and its kinda quirky) is everything on these jewels is hand tightened except for the nozzle. their is no wrench to tighten the brush to the airhose. theres no wrench to take the aircap body off. i have all the quick disconnects for them and its just a really cool set up in MY opinion. where air is transfered from one apparatus (hose) to the another apparatus (quick disconnect) there is an O ring inside a textured nut so you can get a good grip with your fingers and you dont have to worry about over tightening anything. that to me is cool. but im just a red neck from lower alabama and it dont take much to impress me. later.Big Smile [:D]Wink [;)]
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Posted by saltydog on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:08 AM
i dont go near new truck lots josh. i cant afford the one i got and i dont owe much more on it. i would surely hate to start all over on those payments again.Black Eye [B)]Black Eye [B)]Black Eye [B)]Black Eye [B)]Disapprove [V]
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Posted by maddafinga on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:23 AM
I know the feeling there Chris. I want one of those new GTO's in a bad way, but can't take the extra 200 bucks a month not to mention the extra insurance payments as well. I already owe more on my car than it's worth, but not to boo much. That interest eats you alive for the first two to two and a hlaf years. Ah well, my plan now is to get this car paid off in the next year, then get a new motorcycle. I'm eyeballing the Yamaha Road Star Warrior. Sweet bike, I want more stuff than I have money for sometimes though.
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Posted by roosterfish on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:16 AM
A customer’s loyalty to a company is made when the company gives the customer their best product to a company-determined market, find their price-mark then through effective cost controls, new development, advertising and technological breakthroughs make a cost effective product. This is front-end support. A company that does not maintain a competitive-edge falls behind and uses “flak” to confuse a market.

Back-end support keeps customer happy with its existing product. If a product is sold beyond its product capability the company can use a defensive tactic of keeping a customer happy with extra product support. A company can also find that selling in a different niche-market can find a different mix of people where criticism and bias can occur.

As an example, car example again, Cadillac competes with Mercedes as the world car. The Mercedes has the objective of engineering in their car market class-first for safety, comfort and reliability then flash-and-go secondary considerations. The price is no object for the reliability. Cadillac has flash-and-go first and reliability will come through visits to a repair shop and its customers being pampered while they wait in the service area. Over the years little pieces of the Cad come loose while the Mercedes still holds together. Cadillac makes you pay little by little for the life of the car and Mercedes makes you pay for the reliability up front when you buy the car. But Cadillac markets its cars as Mercedes class and as such comes under criticism from the public.

Iwata has engineered a tighter manufactured airbrush at the front-end, a Mercedes philosophy. It feels good new and 21 years later my HP-C still feels good and works like day one. I still haven’t had to replace a part for my ancient HP-C. If a more expensive nozzle is damaged it wasn’t done by Iwata but someone’s clumsy effort at repairing a problem the owner of the airbrush did. But I’d be quite sure that if a nozzle had to be replaced it was not because it was worn out. Iwata has engineered longevity and comfort first. Iwata’s customer support is in the front-end of their airbrush sale and not to pamper you while they repair or replace a part. This sounds very Japanese to me.

Japanese are very business like and the Iwata company act very Japanese. A deal with a customer is scrutinized, made, finished and both mutual parties go their way. I do know if a product is returned a proper Japanese business takes it very seriously and assumes they are at fault first and will go to the end of the earth to fix the problem. But if it is your fault for the problem then you are the one that is shamed. Iwata is proud of their product and its longevity of model line. They know their product will work and assumes if it is not working properly the user broke it.

Iwata makes a good airbrush.
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Posted by saltydog on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:26 PM
QUOTE: A customer’s loyalty to a company is made when the company gives the customer their best product to a company-determined market, find their price-mark then through effective cost controls, new development, advertising and technological breakthroughs make a cost effective product. This is front-end support. A company that does not maintain a competitive-edge falls behind and uses “flak” to confuse a market.

Back-end support keeps customer happy with its existing product. If a product is sold beyond its product capability the company can use a defensive tactic of keeping a customer happy with extra product support. A company can also find that selling in a different niche-market can find a different mix of people where criticism and bias can occur.

As an example, car example again, Cadillac competes with Mercedes as the world car. The Mercedes has the objective of engineering in their car market class-first for safety, comfort and reliability then flash-and-go secondary considerations. The price is no object for the reliability. Cadillac has flash-and-go first and reliability will come through visits to a repair shop and its customers being pampered while they wait in the service area. Over the years little pieces of the Cad come loose while the Mercedes still holds together. Cadillac makes you pay little by little for the life of the car and Mercedes makes you pay for the reliability up front when you buy the car. But Cadillac markets its cars as Mercedes class and as such comes under criticism from the public.

Iwata has engineered a tighter manufactured airbrush at the front-end, a Mercedes philosophy. It feels good new and 21 years later my HP-C still feels good and works like day one. I still haven’t had to replace a part for my ancient HP-C. If a more expensive nozzle is damaged it wasn’t done by Iwata but someone’s clumsy effort at repairing a problem the owner of the airbrush did. But I’d be quite sure that if a nozzle had to be replaced it was not because it was worn out. Iwata has engineered longevity and comfort first. Iwata’s customer support is in the front-end of their airbrush sale and not to pamper you while they repair or replace a part. This sounds very Japanese to me.

Japanese are very business like and the Iwata company act very Japanese. A deal with a customer is scrutinized, made, finished and both mutual parties go their way. I do know if a product is returned a proper Japanese business takes it very seriously and assumes they are at fault first and will go to the end of the earth to fix the problem. But if it is your fault for the problem then you are the one that is shamed. Iwata is proud of their product and its longevity of model line. They know their product will work and assumes if it is not working properly the user broke it.

Iwata makes a good airbrush.


yeah! what he said!!Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]

this is bound to spark some controversy here after.Wink [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:02 PM
nope nope nope. i agree iwata pwnz all, but mercedies arn't as reliable as most think. Japanese cars like hondas and toyotas are more reliable, parents still have 97 honda civic thats never been to repair shop cept when people h&r, break windows, steal, hotwire, and stuff that has nothing to do with reliablilty. thats my 4 cetns
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Posted by maddafinga on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:42 PM
Lumina LTZ Lumina LTZ Lumina LTZ Lumina LTZ Lumina LTZ Lumina LTZ Lumina LTZ Lumina LTZ Lumina LTZ Lumina LTZ Lumina LTZ Lumina LTZ Lumina LTZ

It's reliable, comfortable, fast, and handles very well also. Since the LTZ looks just like every other Lumina on the road, the cops don't give me a second look. Woohoo.




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