Does it dry darker or lighter than a wash does?

TankerEasy

Does it dry darker or lighter than a wash does?

 

From what I'm reading, a glaze is different from a wash in that a wash is expected to hang out in corners and recessed lines whilst a colored glaze will tint the entire surface. So it would follow that the glaze would dry darker, right?

I think you're not alone, I'm a heavy Vallejo user, am familiar with most of their products, and I also have no clue about the colored glaze. I became curious and started reading, it seems not many folk understand what the glaze is for.

I'm wondering if it might be meant to be synonomous with a filter? Vallejo comes up with odd product names.

Greg

I'm wondering if it might be meant to be synonomous with a filter? Vallejo comes up with odd product names.

Yes, a filter is a glaze. A glaze is simply a transparent layer of paint. Artists have been doing glazes for centuries, but when modelers borrowed the technique, they changed the name. Modelers do this frequently. Another example is "pre-shading," which an artist would call "under-painting."

I found this explanation in a google search Here

Q: What is Vallejo black glaze used for? I bought a bunch of vallejo paints and noticed a bottle of black glaze is there. Is it similar to Vallejo washes?

A: I haven't used the paint, but a glaze is an evenly distributed transparent layer of pigment, as if you'd thinned the color with medium until it was transparent. (Different from a wash which doesn't have enough medium to dry into a consistent film.)

A base color with a glaze of the same color over it creates a more intense hue; this is often done with yellows which tend to be transparent, so a single coat looks washed out. Building up layers of yellow glaze eventually produces as intense a hue as desired.

A base color with a glaze of a different color over it will turn a combination of the two colors. This can be done for different effects, such as to represent the transparency of skin. Historically natural pigments were not pure so mixing colors directly would sometimes produce a murky result; historic painters would solve this by laying down one color as a base and putting glazes of the other over it. You've probably seen this accidentally by slopping yellow over a black undercoat; with most paints yellow is translucent so this is effectively a glaze of yellow over black: usually the result is green because there is some blue in most blacks.

Anyway, a black glaze would evenly darken the underlying colors.

On the Vallejo web site, if you click on the Model Paints link to get to this page: link . . . there is a link for a leaflet PDF describing all the paints in the line with color swatches. In glazes they have white, verdigris, tan, brown, and black.

They also have glazing medium which can be used with other colors to make a glaze of that color. I can't tell you what the difference is between glazing medium and acrylic medium (which Vallejo apparently calls thinner), but most paint lines have both so there must be some difference.

hypertex

 

 

Greg

I'm wondering if it might be meant to be synonomous with a filter? Vallejo comes up with odd product names.

 

 

 

 

Yes, a filter is a glaze. A glaze is simply a transparent layer of paint. Artists have been doing glazes for centuries, but when modelers borrowed the technique, they changed the name. Modelers do this frequently. Another example is "pre-shading," which an artist would call "under-painting."

 

That's interesting, thanks. So I was backwards, Vallejo are correct in referring to thier product as a glaze, and filter is a word made up by modelers.

I agree, modelers do come up with funny names for stuff. Good point.

“and filter is a word made up by modelers.

I agree, modelers do come up with funny names for stuf

So my coffee is strained thru a glaze? 

plasticjunkie

So my coffee is strained thru a glaze?Propeller

That's right, Ernie.

And it occured to me that sometimes our dirty words here are glazed out.

Didn't modelers come up with the word "greeble"?

hogfanfs

Didn't modelers come up with the word "greeble"?

 

Don't think I've hear that one, Bruce. Please enlighten me?

Greg

 

 

hogfanfs

Didn't modelers come up with the word "greeble"?

 

 

 

 

Don't think I've hear that one, Bruce. Please enlighten me?

 

Here is the definition from Wikipedia: Greeble

A greeble (/ˈɡriːbliː/) or nurnie is a fine detailing added to the surface of a larger object that makes it appear more complex, and therefore more visually interesting. It usually gives the audience an impression of increased scale. The detail can be made from simple geometric primitives (such as cylinders, cubes, and rectangles), or more complex shapes, such as pieces of machinery (cables, tanks, sprockets). Greebles are often present on models or drawings of fictional spacecraft or architectural constructs in science fiction and are used in the movie industry (special effects).

In physical models, these greebles could be anything from parts of plastic cut to an interesting shape, or actual elements taken from shop-bought model kits. For instance, in Star Wars the original Imperial Star Destroyer was constructed from a plywood frame and adorned with sheet styrene. Panel lines were cut into the sheet styrene, but essentially that left the ship looking extremely bare. Hundreds of model kits were purchased and the model department promptly cut apart pieces of the model kits and stuck them, along with more sheet styrene, to the surfaces of the ship. The ultimate effect was to make the ship appear more believable to the viewer through the addition of these large areas of ancillary details. The greebles themselves served no purpose other than to fill space and individually had no definite function to the design of the ship, although later each greeble was given a specific function by either fans or technical illustrators for fan guides.

 EDIT: We kind of went off on a tangent! My apologies to the OP.

Greeble sounds the same as gizmology. 

so in what instance would the glaze come in handy?  or what would you guys use it for?

TankerEasy

so in what instance would the glaze come in handy?  or what would you guys use it for?

 

I believe it would be used like a filter. Here is a short video of how they "glaze" a miniature Here

Now I can't say what Vallejo intended for this glaze. 

Your best bet would be to paint a spare piece of plastic. Something with some detail. then try this glaze as a filter, and then try it as a wash to see what gives the best effect. I am quite curious on how well it works. What baffles me the most is that it is a black glaze. I have not seen many filters that are black. 

TankerEasy

so in what instance would the glaze come in handy?  or what would you guys use it for?

 

 

I've wondered the same, about filters which we have learned from this thread are the same thing. That link Bruce posted really helps.

And Bruce, thanks for the greeble definition. Interesting.

Now that I remember a while back living in another house the wife got some Behr paint that was a 2 part system being paint first then apply a glaze that changed the base coat color   acting like a filter.