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Airbrush Shopping
Posted by Noah on Thursday, May 02, 2019 4:29 PM

I was told the this part of the forum could help me with getting a new airbrush.  My old airbrush broke, so now I'm looking for a new one.  I'm  looking for a good everyday airbrush around $50 to $90.  So if anyone has any suggestions, they would help.

-Noah

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Posted by oldermodelguy on Thursday, May 02, 2019 4:49 PM

One possibility of many, along with the TS version ( TG is gravity feed, TS is siphon for a few bucks less): https://spraygunner.com/paasche-talon-tg-set/

A Badger 105 is always a good choice, you can see it at the same site.

Badger 155 another good choice.

What types of models do you generally paint ?

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Posted by Noah on Thursday, May 02, 2019 5:47 PM

oldermodelguy

One possibility of many, along with the TS version ( TG is gravity feed, TS is siphon for a few bucks less): https://spraygunner.com/paasche-talon-tg-set/

A Badger 105 is always a good choice, you can see it at the same site.

Badger 155 another good choice.

What types of models do you generally paint ?

 

  

I normally build ship models and 1/48 scale aircraft model.  Also, I've heard the the paasche talon has a defect in it which you have to fix to get it to spray right, or could be just people that don't know how to airbrush. :)

Noah

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Posted by goldhammer on Thursday, May 02, 2019 5:54 PM

Might take a look at the NEO if you have a Hobby Lobby nearby.  Around $60 with the coupon.  Have had good luck with mine.

It hits in the bottom end of your budget, is easy to use and clean.  I also build 1/48 as well as 1/32 aircraft.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Thursday, May 02, 2019 6:11 PM

You’re going to get a lot of opinions. Go here and figure out what fits your needs and budget:

https://sites.google.com/site/donsairbrushtips/

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Posted by oldermodelguy on Thursday, May 02, 2019 6:24 PM

Noah

 

I normally build ship models and 1/48 scale aircraft model.  Also, I've heard the the paasche talon has a defect in it which you have to fix to get it to spray right, or could be just people that don't know how to airbrush. :)

 

You shouldn't buy something you have no confidence in. As I said, just one suggestion of many possible ABs.

 

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Posted by goldhammer on Thursday, May 02, 2019 11:57 PM

214 has good advice for everyone.  I like mine but it may not fit your requirements

Edit....just saw on HL site the 40% is not good on Iwata AB's anymore.  Don't know about the rest of AB stuff and parts 

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Posted by Tickmagnet on Saturday, May 11, 2019 8:36 AM

Don't know if you found an airbrush yet but I just started looking for a Badger 105-1 and they are on back order everywhere I have looked. Seems all I'm running into these days are items on back order.

 

 

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Posted by oldermodelguy on Saturday, May 11, 2019 9:34 AM

Tickmagnet

Don't know if you found an airbrush yet but I just started looking for a Badger 105-1 and they are on back order everywhere I have looked. Seems all I'm running into these days are items on back order.

 

I read someplace that Badger had a sale and got flooded with over 7000 orders, a response even they didn't expect.. When they get that caught up stock should get back to normal. I'm sure the 105 was a hot seller too.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Saturday, May 11, 2019 1:32 PM

oldermodelguy

 

 
Tickmagnet

Don't know if you found an airbrush yet but I just started looking for a Badger 105-1 and they are on back order everywhere I have looked. Seems all I'm running into these days are items on back order.

 

 

 

I read someplace that Badger had a sale and got flooded with over 7000 orders, a response even they didn't expect.. When they get that caught up stock should get back to normal. I'm sure the 105 was a hot seller too.

 

 

That was a one time limited time promotion for the CEO’s 55th Birthday. You’ll never see that again unless the pulls one for his 60th or 65th birthday.

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Posted by Tloc on Saturday, May 25, 2019 7:28 PM

The 54th birthday sale was followed up by a sale for his 55th birthday. I ordered in January, 2019 and received my airbrush in April. They had enough orders that they are still shipping the birthday airbrushes. 

Tom in Wisconsin

 

edit: per FB today 6/5/19, they are saying at Badger they are almost done shipping the 55th birthday discounted airbrushes

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Posted by keilau on Sunday, June 02, 2019 6:40 AM

If you airbrush regularly and frequently, I would suggest saving a bit more to get an Iwata HP-CS. The airbrush selection consideration was discussed in a recent thread:

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/tools_techniques_and_reference_materials/f/18/t/181669.aspx

What was your old airbrush? The final choice is often personal. If you have good airbrush skill, you can get good result with almost any modern airbrush.

Personally, I do not like airbrush that has a double cone needle made with softer steel. The Iwata Eclipse HP-CS is my favorite. Smooth operation, easy to clean and most of all, high quality needle material. It is very important to get a needle that is not easy to bend and resistent to wear. My number one backup is the Harder & Steenbeck Evolution Silverline, mostly for finer lines. I also have an Iwata Neo which I seldomly use.

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Posted by Greg on Sunday, June 02, 2019 7:58 AM

keilau
The Iwata Eclipse HP-CS is my favorite

keilau
My number one backup is the Harder & Steenbeck Evolution Silverline

Your post caught my eye because those are my two airbrushes too. After I got my H&S, it was my primary for a couple year mostly because it felt better in my hand and I felt it is slightly easier to strip. Lately, I'm same as you. HP-CS is primary. I cannot explain why because I don't really know. I just reach for it.

keilau
I also have an Iwata Neo which I seldomly use.

Which is odd because I've considered buying a Neo many times. Figured I'd seldom use it.

Small world.

Hey Noah, did you ever come up with anything?

-Greg

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Posted by Tickmagnet on Sunday, June 02, 2019 8:22 AM

I agree with Keilau and Greg, I just got an Eclipse HP-CS since the badger couldn't be found and I couldn't be happier.

 

 

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Posted by oldermodelguy on Sunday, June 02, 2019 8:42 AM

We haven't heard from Noah in a month. Just sayin.

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Posted by Fesan on Sunday, June 02, 2019 9:51 AM

Tickmagnet

Don't know if you found an airbrush yet but I just started looking for a Badger 105-1 and they are on back order everywhere I have looked. Seems all I'm running into these days are items on back order.

 

i recently ordered one from usa airbrush they got it out to me in 3 weeks was 90 and came with all 3 needles.

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Posted by oldermodelguy on Sunday, June 02, 2019 2:20 PM

Amazon is saying the Badger Patriot will be back in stock on the 5th, order now and receive it Friday it says there. So Badger must be catching up with production. $78 free shipping on prime but it's the single needle set not the 3 needle set ( .5 mm I believe). FWIW to whoever might be viewing.

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Posted by keilau on Monday, June 03, 2019 7:35 AM

Fesan
Tickmagnet

Don't know if you found an airbrush yet but I just started looking for a Badger 105-1 and they are on back order everywhere I have looked. Seems all I'm running into these days are items on back order.

i recently ordered one from usa airbrush they got it out to me in 3 weeks was 90 and came with all 3 needles.

How do you like the Badger 105? I had it for a little while. But exchanged it for a Badger Renegade R1V Velocity instead.

I did not keep the Badger Patriot 105 because of its soft (relative speaking) needle with a double cone tip. The double cone tip is necessary for softer needle, but not an acceptable compromise to me. (The Renegade needle has no such problem.)

Don Wheeler whose opinion on airbrush was highly regarded gave the Badger 105 Patriot high mark. After I wrote Badger about the double cone needle and the smoothness of the trigger, Ken Schlotfeldt (Badger CEO) suggested that I tried the Badger Renegade R1V Velocity which I ended up keeping. The Badger Renegade R1V Velocity is more a fine line airbrush which can do well in general purpose modeling.

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Posted by Greg on Monday, June 03, 2019 7:44 AM

keilau
I did not keep the Badger Patriot 105 because of its soft (relative speaking) needle with a double cone tip. The double cone tip is necessary for softer needle, but not an acceptable compromise to me. (The Renegade needle has no such problem.) Don Wheeler whose opinion on airbrush was highly regarded gave the Badger 105 Patriot high mark. After I wrote Badger about the double cone needle and the smoothness of the trigger, Ken Schlotfeldt (Badger CEO) suggested that I tried the Badger Renegade R1V Velocity which I ended up keeping. The Badger Renegade R1V Velocity is more a fine line airbrush which can do well in general purpose modeling.

Hmm, first I'd heard of that edle* issue. Amazing how responsive Badger's Owner or CEO seems to be. I've said this before, one of these days I'm going to buy a Badger just based on the way the company treats their customers.

* Edit: needle, not edle. Sorry.

-Greg

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Posted by oldermodelguy on Monday, June 03, 2019 10:22 AM

If I ever get another airbrush it will either be a Badger Anthem 155 ( same basic innards of the 105 but siphon feed) or the Paasche Talon TS ( also siphon feed but comes with a .66 needle that can take the optional fan cap which is only a $10 purchase ). Both are double action brushes.

I'm very happy mixing my paint up in jars that can just attach to the bottom of the brush and if I want to just shoot a few drops of paint I just use a side open top metal color cup for my existing brushes and would continue that practice with either of the above.

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Posted by Noah on Monday, June 03, 2019 12:05 PM

Noah is back!  Sorry for not answering for so long, I've been very busy and have not had a lot of time to model or check in with finescale (also this tread closed for about two weeks, so I thought just going to be sent to the bottom of finescale and forgotten about :)  I was researching all the airbrushes you guys have mentioned and narrowed my search to the neo or the bagder.  Then a complete suprise came, my family went out and got my the iwata revolution for my birthday.  This is very nice airbrush, probably better than the neo (don't know because never had a neo), and has worked flawlessly for the the last week and a half I've used it.  So, thanks for all your guys help and once again sorry for taking so long.

-Noah

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Posted by oldermodelguy on Monday, June 03, 2019 5:15 PM

Noah
Then a complete suprise came, my family went out and got my the iwata revolution for my birthday.

Nice gift, that's how I acquired my Badger 200 set more than 40 years ago, my wife bought it for me on my birthday ! So happy birthday and enjoy !

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Posted by keilau on Monday, June 03, 2019 5:49 PM

Noah

Noah is back!  Sorry for not answering for so long, I've been very busy and have not had a lot of time to model or check in with finescale (also this tread closed for about two weeks, so I thought just going to be sent to the bottom of finescale and forgotten about :)  I was researching all the airbrushes you guys have mentioned and narrowed my search to the neo or the bagder.  Then a complete suprise came, my family went out and got my the iwata revolution for my birthday.  This is very nice airbrush, probably better than the neo (don't know because never had a neo), and has worked flawlessly for the the last week and a half I've used it.  So, thanks for all your guys help and once again sorry for taking so long.

-Noah

You are right that the Iwata Revolution is a much better airbrush than the Neo. You may be interested in this 8 years old thread. 

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/tools_techniques_and_reference_materials/f/18/t/147072.aspx

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/tools_techniques_and_reference_materials/f/18/t/147072.aspx

The Neo is a Chinese made airbrush marketed by the US Iwata importer. After a rough startup, it overcome the quality problem and is considered a better Chinese knock-off that works quite well when new. But it does not have the durability of the real (Japan made) Iwata.

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Posted by Noah on Monday, June 03, 2019 6:57 PM

Some interesting articles there.  Makes me kind a happy I didn't get the neo.

Noah

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Posted by Greg on Monday, June 03, 2019 7:41 PM

Happy Birthday and thanks for checking back in. Hope you enjoy the Revolution and glad to hear it's working well for you.

Your thread never "closed". It just moves further down the list due to inactivity. When somebody posts to it again, it moves back up to the top for the moment. That doesn't matter. What matter is you checked back in. Yes

I think we all understand life happens, things get busy. But then something important like a new airbrush comes around and gets our priorities back in order.

-Greg

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Posted by Neuman on Monday, June 03, 2019 10:22 PM

keilau,

glad to read your post. I'm returning to model building after several decades out. I just ordered 2 Iwata Eclipse HP-CS's (1 for acrylics, 1 for enamals). I got tired of the hassles I've experienced with my Paasche H and VL.

I have 2 cheap Paasche fingernail brushes and love them. I use them for painting that does not require detail, weathering, tires, cockpits, props, ets.. Small grav feed cup is easy to clean and econimical for paint. That's one factor that convinced me to go with the Iwata, I'm done with siphon feed cups.

Any tips on using the Iwata?

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Posted by Fesan on Monday, June 03, 2019 11:12 PM

keilau

 

 
Fesan
Tickmagnet

Don't know if you found an airbrush yet but I just started looking for a Badger 105-1 and they are on back order everywhere I have looked. Seems all I'm running into these days are items on back order.

i recently ordered one from usa airbrush they got it out to me in 3 weeks was 90 and came with all 3 needles.

 

 

How do you like the Badger 105? I had it for a little while. But exchanged it for a Badger Renegade R1V Velocity instead.

I did not keep the Badger Patriot 105 because of its soft (relative speaking) needle with a double cone tip. The double cone tip is necessary for softer needle, but not an acceptable compromise to me. (The Renegade needle has no such problem.)

Don Wheeler whose opinion on airbrush was highly regarded gave the Badger 105 Patriot high mark. After I wrote Badger about the double cone needle and the smoothness of the trigger, Ken Schlotfeldt (Badger CEO) suggested that I tried the Badger Renegade R1V Velocity which I ended up keeping. The Badger Renegade R1V Velocity is more a fine line airbrush which can do well in general purpose modeling.

 

i love it. I also have an iwata hp-cs and seem to go to the badger more then the iwata lately. I am also still learning so the .5 needle is little more forgiving then the .3 in the iwata though.

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, June 03, 2019 11:18 PM

Tloc

Tom in Wisconsin

 

another Wisconsinite. 

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Posted by keilau on Tuesday, June 04, 2019 11:23 AM

Fesan

keilau
How do you like the Badger 105? I had it for a little while. But exchanged it for a Badger Renegade R1V Velocity instead.

I did not keep the Badger Patriot 105 because of its soft (relative speaking) needle with a double cone tip. The double cone tip is necessary for softer needle, but not an acceptable compromise to me. (The Renegade needle has no such problem.)

Don Wheeler whose opinion on airbrush was highly regarded gave the Badger 105 Patriot high mark. After I wrote Badger about the double cone needle and the smoothness of the trigger, Ken Schlotfeldt (Badger CEO) suggested that I tried the Badger Renegade R1V Velocity which I ended up keeping. The Badger Renegade R1V Velocity is more a fine line airbrush which can do well in general purpose modeling.

i love it. I also have an iwata hp-cs and seem to go to the badger more then the iwata lately. I am also still learning so the .5 needle is little more forgiving then the .3 in the iwata though.

It is wonderful that the Patriot 105 is serving your need. I learnt airbrushing mostly with the Iwata HP-CS, finding its control (trigger) very precise and easy to learn with.

I got the Badger 105 Patriot for its larger nozzle to compliment the Iwata. Unfortunately, I got one with a sticky trigger and ended up not keeping it. Later, I got the 0.5 nozzle for the Iwata HP-CS, but found that changing nozzle in the middle of a painting session is not very practical.

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Posted by keilau on Tuesday, June 04, 2019 11:42 AM

Neuman

keilau,

glad to read your post. I'm returning to model building after several decades out. I just ordered 2 Iwata Eclipse HP-CS's (1 for acrylics, 1 for enamals). I got tired of the hassles I've experienced with my Paasche H and VL.

I have 2 cheap Paasche fingernail brushes and love them. I use them for painting that does not require detail, weathering, tires, cockpits, props, ets.. Small grav feed cup is easy to clean and econimical for paint. That's one factor that convinced me to go with the Iwata, I'm done with siphon feed cups.

Any tips on using the Iwata?

I consider myself an amateur airbrush user who found the Iwata HP-CS easy to use and learn from. I use acrylic paint only. I found that I can flush the HP-CS clean enough for changing color by a few blast of airbrush cleaner. I need to disassemble the Iwata for more thorough cleaning only once at the end of the day before putting it away. But it is very important to use the same brand of cleaner as the paint. (I found it the painful way that different brand of paint and cleaner can gum up.) Never use any household cleaner that may contain amonia on airbrush. Amonia is harmful to brass.

Tip on using the Iwata? Practice, practice and more practice. Wink (No, I don't like practicing on plastic milk bottle anymore than the other guy. But it is very useful to teach my figures in AB.)

I had a Passche H for 15 years and used it only occassionally. I thought that the H is too difficult to clean, but Don Wheeler told me that it was that I don't know how to do it right. Confused

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