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Vallejo Cremeweiss?
Posted by Panzer Joe on Monday, July 1, 2019 5:07 PM

Hi bought some of the Takom full interior kits and I don't really want to use the mig ammo cremeweiss. Would the Vallejo offwhite or Ivory look more like cremeweiss? Just wondering if anyone else has used Vallejo for the Takom kits.

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Posted by modelmaker66 on Tuesday, July 2, 2019 2:11 AM

Why not use the cremeweiss? I don'y understand. Of course the vallejo colors would work. Are you asking if it is a good color match?

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Posted by Panzer Joe on Tuesday, July 2, 2019 3:04 AM

I'm just asking which of the 2 Vallejo paints look most like the mig cremeweiss.

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Posted by cwalker3 on Tuesday, July 2, 2019 6:27 AM

What‘s wrong with the Mig paint? 

Cary

 

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Tuesday, July 2, 2019 3:04 PM

The paint that was used inside Panzers changed during the war. During part of 1944 the entire interior was left red oxide (RAL 8012) but the compaints came so thick and fast from crews that it was changed after about a month.

Officially it should be RAL 1001 Elfenbein.

We have to be careful as the modern RAL 1001 IS NOT close to what the original wartime colour.

Vallejo have RAL 1001 in their Model Air Range which is 71.075. I don't know if it is thr original wartime shade though.

I do think that the AK colours are out by quite a way as they use the scale correct policy and some of their Panzer colours never existed or were used!

However, not all is lost as it is time to do the paint tests and sacrifice whire plastic spoons to the great paint goddess!

Now, Mid 1944, Panthers, Tiger I and II started using RAL 9002 as the interior colour after the red Oxide debacle!

Of course, this is mitigated by factories having different paint suppliers and this muddies the waters further.

I would look at 70.075 first as I think the online shade card doesn't reflect the actual colour.

Other colours you can look at is:

71.132 RAL1015

71.119 RAL9002 Grauweiss - usually seen in late war Panzers. This is also the same colour as the S-100 German schnellboots were painted. It is also known as Schnellboot Weiss.

RAL9001 Weiss - this is an off white.

While I have no actual physical references to prove this, I think that these colours would be good as representative of the original colours and shade differences between manufacturers and batches.

the interior of hatches were sometimes painted with the exterior base colour, but this is not set in stone and was usually a unit field decision and applied at the company repair depot.

Interior equipment such as gearboxes, engines etc were not usually painted white, but a field grey/green or grey/blue. I have those RAL colours somewhere in my notes.

PLease don't paint Ammunition brass as the Germans from 1933 used parkerised steel for their ammunition cases. These were painted different colours including green, copper, silver, bronze grey, gold but were not painted bu ammunition type!

I would be interested as to what you have from Takom. I should also do some paint tests myself on these colours!

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Posted by Panzer Joe on Tuesday, July 2, 2019 10:47 PM

I don't mind the mig paints except I find them hard to handpaint. I prefer Vallejo for that.

 

Thanks a a lot for the info snapdragon. I have the takom Panther A late and the Tiger II Porsche turret with zimmerit. I am working on the Academy early tiger with interior. I decided to try the mig cremeweiss on it( I realise that the early tigers probably didn't have the cremeweiss). I found the mig cremeweiss is difficult to get right. I painted the engine and transmission a metallic gray colour. I will have to research moreSmile.

            

 

 

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Wednesday, July 3, 2019 5:09 AM

Maybach who made the engines for most of the Panzers painted the engine a very dark grey colour. The closest I have seen and use myself on full interior builds is the Luftwaffe colour RLM 66.

The Academy interior Tiger I is not really the best example and there are some glaring inaccuracies. You should look at RFM's latest release for a full interior Tiger I.

Fire extinguishers on the inside should be RAL 3000, and on the outside, black.

For the Tiger II RAL 9002 should be the interior choice with Red Oxide being on the floor and the sides up to the sponsons where the side ammunition storage is. The entire walls in the engine bay aft of the firewall is Red Oxide, RAL 8012. Don't follow Takoms paint instructions blindly and get that airbrush cracking!

Only the first 50 Tiger II out of the factory had the Initial turret on and only 1 survives today at Bovington Tank Museum.

The use of Porshe as a reference to this turret is a misnomer. Confident of winning the contract for this vehicle with his dual diesel-electric drive, Porsche contracted Henschel to design and build a turret for Porsches' vehicle and ordered 50.

Henschel were also entering the design competition too. The Porsche prototype, during displays and testing (in front of Hitler himself, I believe) had an embarrasing series of failures and a fire, while the Henschel entry hull performed without any issues. Henschel won the Tiger II contract and reluctant to scrap the already built turrets for the Porsche chassis, orders were given to use those turrets first.

These were officially reffered to as Initial and were more time consuming and costly than the design Henschel did for their own entry which became known as the Series Turret.

Ferdinand Porsche had no involvement in the design or build of the turret that has his name linked to it, apart from ordering it from his competitor for his own designed chassis!

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Posted by Panzer Joe on Thursday, July 4, 2019 3:21 AM

 Yeah I was aware of the turret name mistake. Strange they didn't change the name.

 

  Porsche made a few impressive designs during the war. If he had more time he might of made something quite amazing. Thanks again for all the info.

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