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Paint conversion query
Posted by Foxy on Friday, May 1, 2020 11:41 AM

Hi all, as stated in my welcome post I'm a complete novice and have never built a scale model before so please be gentle with me if my questions seem a bit obvious. Ok so I'm about to start my first model a Tamiya Honda cb750f, being Tamiya the paint recommendations are Tamiya paints.. But for whatever reason through research I've decided that vellejo products will be my products of choice. I have managed to find vellejo paint equivalents through various paint conversion charts or by.. that's a close match method. The thing that is confusing me is some of the conversions state a vallejo colour plus vellejo 510 which is a gloss varnish as vellejo don't seem to do many gloss paints.. What I'm not sure of is.. Am I supposed to mix the colour and the varnish(if so to what sort of ratio) or wether I am just supposed to varnish over the matte colour? Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.. Apologies for the long windedness. 

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Friday, May 1, 2020 11:47 AM

I know this doesn't really answer your question, but I tried Vallejo paint and didn't like it at all.  I've found Tamiya paints to be much easier to work with.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, May 1, 2020 12:01 PM

Welcome!

Don't ever consider an honest question to be dumb. Lazy questions can be frustrating, but you've obviously done your research.

I don't know the answer either, however the norm would probably be color coats polished in between each with a cloth, followed by a gloss clear coat.

That's how I did my most recent bike. Tamiya Lemon Yellow with clear acrylic gloss over it.

One very cool resaource is to do a search online for more subject specific model forums. I found one that was a combination of Norton owners, full size restorers and modelers.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by Foxy on Friday, May 1, 2020 12:16 PM
Thank you for the response...all this is going to be a steep learning curve for me... I'm aware a lot of things will go wrong in my learning process.. but what you have said makes sense.. I could lay down a few coats of matte and buff in between followed by a varnish coat and see if it gives a decent glossy look.. If not I'm assuming I can always strip it back right? Lovely looking model BTW.. Hopefully I can get somewhere near that level eventually lol.
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Posted by Foxy on Friday, May 1, 2020 12:29 PM
Thank you for your opinion on the paints...as I have no experience with any type of paints and know no different I'm assuming I will learn to use vellejo paints... Yet again it may prove impossible for me to get any sort of decent result with them so could end up trying tamiya... So many mountains for me to climb at this early stage... But again appreciated any advice hints tips do and donts from anyone is helpful and will always be taken on board :)
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Posted by EdGrune on Friday, May 1, 2020 1:08 PM

As I have posted before, ask 6 modelers their opinions and you will get a dozen different answers.

Unlike Eagle, I like Vallejo paints.  Their product line is diverse so you ususlly don't have to mix what you need.  Yes, they are mostly made for military, figures, and fantasy so they are mostly flat.  Sheen can be added with gloss media or a gloss top coat.  Being acrylics I can move my painting indoors from the garage where the smelly enamels used to have to be painted

Vallejo makes four basic product lines plus some special effects & finish items.   Model Color is brushable military and figure paint.   Game Color is their brushable fantasy product.   They are interchangeable.   They are thicker but can be airbrushed with appropriate thinning.   

Model Air is their airbrush ready military and figure paint.  Game Air is the corresponding airbrushable fantasy paint.   Again they are interchangeable.  Air paints are generally too thin to successfully hand brush. If you find a good color in the Game line you can use it in a model/figure application.  No one is keeping score.

All good stuff.  I have also added Reaper Figures Core MSP paints to my palette.   They behave just like Vallejo.    Throw in some AK/Meng, Scale75, and Scale Colors to round out the paint rack.  I have heard good things about Citadel fantasy figure paints but haven't tried them.   Perhaps the Warhammer store in Fort Worth will survive the C19 lockdown

You have to learn how to use them.   They dry to handle fairly quickly, but can be fragile.  After allowing the paint to harden well for overnight/24 hours they can stand some rougher handling or masking

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Posted by Foxy on Friday, May 1, 2020 1:39 PM
Thank you for the detailed write up much appreciated.. Yes I think that was the only down side that I found not with using vellejo paints(because I havent used them yet) but with buying them, that I've bought 2 bottles for each colour or very similar in colour... One for my airbrush and one for brush painting, as I realised that the airbrush paint being designed to go through an airbrush would probably be to thin to brush paint..
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