Badger Stynylrez gloss black primer

oldermodelguy

I've tried stopping at the bottom of the bottle, the "stuff" is still there I think, well maybe I don't recall so hot. But I do know I've stuck my mixing stick in there after shaking and gotten the same effect, so it's not just a power mixer phenomenon it seems...

So much for that theory, then.

oldermodelguy

On another note that made me think of your issue a week or two back, with all the humid weather this summer I actually drained a pretty good sized batch of water from my compressor this morning. Never effected anything cause it was just sitting in the tank bottom but ya, this summer has been humid.

Yes, it has. I'll know more as I paint more, but so far I think a dryer air supply is helping.

Greg

OMG, just had a thought on the funny pattern on the stirrer stem. I presume you keep keep the stirrer on while slowly removing it like I do. Maybe it's just as simple as centrifugal force creating the odd pattern.

Dunno why I never thought of that.

Back to the strainer in the cap, one reason I decided to try it is this stuff dries so fast I theorized that having the cap off the stir and pipette-transfer probably causes drying around the mouth, and that has to fall somewhere. Though maybe best to keep the lid on.

OTOH, I hate the way the paint drips all over the bottle with the squirty cap.

 

 

I've tried stopping at the bottom of the bottle, the "stuff" is still there I think, well maybe I don't recall so hot. But I do know I've stuck my mixing stick in there after shaking and gotten the same effect, so it's not just a power mixer phenomenon it seems...

On another note that made me think of your issue a week or two back, with all the humid weather this summer I actually drained a pretty good sized batch of water from my compressor this morning. Never effected anything cause it was just sitting in the tank bottom but ya, this summer has been humid.

OMG, just had a thought on the funny pattern on the stirrer stem. I presume you keep keep the stirrer on while slowly removing it like I do. Maybe it's just as simple as centrifugal force creating the odd pattern.

Dunno why I never thought of that.

Back to the strainer in the cap, one reason I decided to try it is this stuff dries so fast I theorized that having the cap off the stir and pipette-transfer probably causes drying around the mouth, and that has to fall somewhere. Though maybe best to keep the lid on.

OTOH, I hate the way the paint drips all over the bottle with the squirty cap.

Mrchntmarine

funny, or not, the grass is always greener on the other side for me.

I have that gene too, I get it.

Good thinking on the line from the garage. Whilst obsessing over things compressor-related the past couple of weeks, many times I've thought how nice it would be to have a line from the garage.

That's a nice setup.

Greg

 

 

I'm going back to shake and squirt rather than the stir and pipette because it think that was doing no good.

So far so good, but I have little experience yet.

 

Well if it's bubble we're seeing, the mesh would probably break them up. Obviously if it's particles they will be held back by the mesh. I'm not a big fan of their squirt cap but been using that too such as it is. I wonder if continued filtering at the original bottle neck will collect up to something un usable one day ? I'm for mixing in everything I can, pouring out through a strainer and get the good stuff back into the bottle if possible. So far I've been able to mix most everything back together with the Badger gizmo so I haven't hit that stage just yet.. And I think what I see on the stem of that or a mixing stick is bubbles of some weird sort, maybe foam. I don't know, I let it sit for a bit, squirt some in the airbrush or mixing bottle ( I make my own grey ), put it in the airbrush and spray. So far so good.

I often wonder if a shot of flow aid or dish soap in there would break things up. If I conduct that experiment I'll let you know. You know me, I'm game lol.

Seems mighty funny I never get this with the white or never noticed it..

Greg

 

 

Mrchntmarine

Im jealous! I always thought my badger tc910 was quiet, until, i just put the meter on it, A weighted If i remember correctly, just around 75-77db. Fooey.

 

 

That's a good-looking compressor and I gave it a serious look.

Sounds like you have a real db meter. I use an app on my phone and I don't know how accurate it is. But at least I can compare relative noise levels, so I know the Paasche is around 10 db louder than the Sparmaxx.

 

funny, or not, the grass is always greener on the other side for me. :(    If i had more room in my already too full of junk workroom, id get the one you choose even though mine is fine - but loud now!!  . My hearing is starting to go so youd think itd be no issue.  Of well.   When we built the house, i had the builder run a copper line from the garage to the workroom and i have this incredibly noisy an old lowes compressor there for tires and such.  I think you can hear the thing for blocks.  But, like trying to figure out the myriad of different sized fittings for air tools, ive had a challenge, or more realistically - im lazy, in taking the time to get it to work with the correct fittings.   One day!  Here are both sides.

Jon,

Thanks for the great explanation. (so clear even I can understand it! )

Now I got it.

Mrchntmarine

Im jealous! I always thought my badger tc910 was quiet, until, i just put the meter on it, A weighted If i remember correctly, just around 75-77db. Fooey.

That's a good-looking compressor and I gave it a serious look.

Sounds like you have a real db meter. I use an app on my phone and I don't know how accurate it is. But at least I can compare relative noise levels, so I know the Paasche is around 10 db louder than the Sparmaxx.

oldermodelguy

Ok then, so it's good stuff !!!

So far I think so, yes.

I keep forgetting to mention regarding our globs. I saw a straining trick online I tried with my new bottle of gloss.

Got some of these paint strainers and cut out the strainer material. Cut out a little square a little bigger than the mouth of the primer bottle mouth, sat it on top and screwed the lid on.

I'm going back to shake and squirt rather than the stir and pipette because it think that was doing no good.

So far so good, but I have little experience yet.

Greg

Thanks, Jon.

I'm a little confused, though. I get there easily, help me out....

 So did the new, smaller compressor with tank make the water problem go away or reduce it? Why did you replace the other one, are you saying that adding the mini trap to the gun proved that the compressor was producing too much water in the line?

IOW, if the new smaller compressor with tank solved the problem, and the old bigger tank had a compressor too, what was causing the excess water and again, what made you replace the old one?

Sorry I'm so dense. 

Greg, I may not have explained well.

The first symptom I got was acrylic paint bubbling, beading up, not sticking to the model & feeling greasy.

When my Old Rotring failed, it ran hotter than before, and produced water and oil and air.
The water/oil collected in the tank, but barely any in the large trap/regulator atatched to the compressor, as below.
 

I then attached an inline water trap to the airbrush end.
I can only presume the long hose and trap allowed the air to cool enough for the oil/water to condense out in greater volumes.

I now have this generic chinese produced unit, which meets my needs.
I no longer need the inline trap, unless it's very humid, (rare in the UK), & use quick connects to make swapping airbrushes easier.

My unit has the (red) pressure relief/drain valve underneath the tank, so after use, I drain the large trap/regulator first, then the tank drain valve to prevent water build up.

Greg

 

 

oldermodelguy

So Greg what compressor did you get ? Inquiring minds etc...!

 

 

 

 

I'm a bit hesitant to say, because I'm not yet convinced I made a smart choice. But the Paasche 850R was and is on sale at Midwest Airbrush with free shipping. It drop shipped from Paasche and took less than 48hrs to arrive, which surprised me.

I'm not unhappy. Perhaps I paid too much because it say "Paasche" on it. I hope I never find out, becuase that would mean I had to buy another compressor.

I somehow had myself convinced that this would be quieter than the big box store compressors (I don't trust db level claims, so who knows). Again, hope I never find out.

For the same or less money, I realize I could have more capacity, PSI, and CFM. Anyway, it is dry and if I ever make the plunge to a small fan-pattern mini spray gun, at least this thing should be able to handle it. Marginally. That's my story and I'm sticking with it.

 

Im jealous!  I always thought my badger tc910 was quiet, until, i just put the meter on it, A weighted If i remember correctly, just around 75-77db.  Fooey.

Greg

Thanks for you help, and your kind support of my purchase OMG and Wingman.

I didn't want to leave this thread out in cyberspace forever with my last comment about Stynylrez Gloss being not so good.

It lays down great. Finish is similar to properly applied Alclad black base, IMO.

All the problems were caused by a comedy of operator errors and experimenting that I should not have been doing while learning to spray the stuff.

 

Ok then, so it's good stuff !!!

Thanks for you help, and your kind support of my purchase OMG and Wingman.

I didn't want to leave this thread out in cyberspace forever with my last comment about Stynylrez Gloss being not so good.

It lays down great. Finish is similar to properly applied Alclad black base, IMO.

All the problems were caused by a comedy of operator errors and experimenting that I should not have been doing while learning to spray the stuff.

Looks like a winner to me Greg! Good for you. That Harbor Freight ad popped up on Facebook the other day and just thought I'd pass it on. They do use a steel tank. I like Midwest, I've had good luck with them. Enjoy!

Greg

 

 

oldermodelguy

So Greg what compressor did you get ? Inquiring minds etc...!

 

 

 

 

I'm a bit hesitant to say, because I'm not yet convinced I made a smart choice. But the Paasche 850R was and is on sale at Midwest Airbrush with free shipping. It drop shipped from Paasche and took less than 48hrs to arrive, which surprised me.

I'm not unhappy. Perhaps I paid too much because it say "Paasche" on it. I hope I never find out, becuase that would mean I had to buy another compressor.

I somehow had myself convinced that this would be quieter than the big box store compressors (I don't trust db level claims, so who knows). Again, hope I never find out.

For the same or less money, I realize I could have more capacity, PSI, and CFM. Anyway, it is dry and if I ever make the plunge to a small fan-pattern mini spray gun, at least this thing should be able to handle it. Marginally. That's my story and I'm sticking with it.

 

One thing about Paasche compressors is they have Paasche backing and nice paint. If they aren't any different in any other way from generic or HF, they have that going for them. I'd like to think Paasche puts a certain standard in for manufacture though, I'd almost bet on it. I haven't known anyone who got a Paasche comp and started ragging on it's quality. And then there is the very witness of the item itself, it's working for you !! No second guessing here, Greg, glad you got it .

It's a 3/4 hp compressor, it will do better than just barely keep up with the fan cap.

oldermodelguy

So Greg what compressor did you get ? Inquiring minds etc...!

 

I'm a bit hesitant to say, because I'm not yet convinced I made a smart choice. But the Paasche 850R was and is on sale at Midwest Airbrush with free shipping. It drop shipped from Paasche and took less than 48hrs to arrive, which surprised me.

I'm not unhappy. Perhaps I paid too much because it say "Paasche" on it. I hope I never find out, becuase that would mean I had to buy another compressor.

I somehow had myself convinced that this would be quieter than the big box store compressors (I don't trust db level claims, so who knows). Again, hope I never find out.

For the same or less money, I realize I could have more capacity, PSI, and CFM. Anyway, it is dry and if I ever make the plunge to a small fan-pattern mini spray gun, at least this thing should be able to handle it. Marginally. That's my story and I'm sticking with it.

So Greg what compressor did you get ? Inquiring minds etc...!

Wingman_kz

Hey Greg, not trying to talk you into or sell you anything but I saw that Harbor Freight has these air compressors on sale:

https://www.harborfreight.com/2-gallon-135-psi-ultra-quiet-hand-carry-jobsite-air-compressor-64596.html

I have the smaller 1 gal version and I believe it's Goldhammer that has this one. I can't speak to their life span but I'm happy with it's performance. And it is quiet.

 

That's a good-looking unit. Thanks, Wingman.

I'm afraid I already pulled the trigger though. In hindsight, the one you posted would probably have served me as well, for a bit less money. I thought an aluminum tank was really important, and payed a little more accordingly. I don't suppose I'll ever know. For all I know this one you posted has one, but they don't say so.

In the meantime, today will be the last tests with Stynylrez Gloss Black using nice, dry air. So far, results are not promising.

Thanks again for all the help with my compressor questions. Oh, and by the way, you were sure right about that coiled hose. It is pretty much necessary for the smaller tankless hobby compressor to minimize the pulsing, but it was even producing some consensate from the new compressor (New hose hadn't shown up yet and I wanted to compare the air from the coiled hose vs a shorter proper hose anyway)

Hey Greg, not trying to talk you into or sell you anything but I saw that Harbor Freight has these air compressors on sale:

https://www.harborfreight.com/2-gallon-135-psi-ultra-quiet-hand-carry-jobsite-air-compressor-64596.html

I have the smaller 1 gal version and I believe it's Goldhammer that has this one. I can't speak to their life span but I'm happy with it's performance. And it is quiet.

Greg, you could mount that tank anywhere, don't forget a drain. I considered mentioning something similar but since you stated the cost creeping up towards a compressor cost I backed off. Plus a couple of other things, like size and your existing compressors shut off pressure. It's kind of experimentalish. I'm spoiled where I start draining my tank of air at 125psi. If I decided to run my compressor, it will make up the air while airbrushing almost as quickly as if not once down to where it kicks on. My experience in the past with undersized compressor volume is a bigger tank will keep the compressor off till it kicks on which will be relatively soon with a small tank and then may not recover as long as you spray, once you stop spraying it will then catch up. So if you're under rated now, what you will gain is running the air through the tank but it's not gonna run much less if my theory is right.. I'm not 100% sure this is a cure, so I decided to be still for a change. Now it's too late for that yet once again lol !!

Just me but I really think you're on the right track with a more substantial tank style compressor. But hey, I'm the last one to talk about actual hobby compressors because I've never owned them.  So with that I'll let those who have make their exchanges with you. And it may work just fine, if it doesn't run much less at least the air may cool and you can get the water out........ You have enough line there you probably didn't get pulsing but if so the tank will serve to cushion that too.

oldermodelguy

I concluded my scratch test on the grey primer I shot yesterday with 10% of my home brew thinner in it. It's fine.

This is the end of that little saga, I said I'd report back, done deal. I think Greg ( who asked about thinning in the first place) is moving on to other pastures at this point anyway.

Signed sealed and delivered.

 

Thanks for reporting back, I was curious and glad it worked out for you.

Wherever I'm moving, it won't be fast.

Wingman, thanks! I didn't know where to start if I decide to just add a tank, now I do.

And no worries at all. I talk/type too much and that can lead to misunderstanding.

And I forgot to mention to you that you are correct, it has been a hot and humid summer here. I always thought it didn't matter since I am in a cool basement in air conditioned house. In the past couple days, you guys have helped me learn otherwise.

My phone is not cooperating today and will not allow me to create a hyperlink. I'll copy and paste and maybe you can do the same.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CSYL4JM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_nTTqFbKPHWZRB

Or maybe it will work. Lol

Anyway, it's a link to a small air tank on Amazon. It's 1/2 gallon or approx 2 liters. If you scroll down the page there is also a larger 1.5 gallon tank. They're intended for use with air horns but are rated for 120psi and 165psi respectively so they should be fine if you wanted to add one to your setup and avoid buying a new compressor. They each have 5 ports so you could have an inlet, exit, drain and plug the other two. Some airbrush compressors use 2 liter tanks and some use slightly larger. Just a thought. 

And Greg, my apologies to you. You did nothing wrong. I misread. My fault. 

I concluded my scratch test on the grey primer I shot yesterday with 10% of my home brew thinner in it. It's fine.

This is the end of that little saga, I said I'd report back, done deal. I think Greg ( who asked about thinning in the first place) is moving on to other pastures at this point anyway.

Signed sealed and delivered.

oldermodelguy

Good deduction ! I wish you luck and I think you will find this to be a good move.

Thanks. I would not have figured this out without this discussion. Today it occured to me that all of you having no issues (even Ernie down in the tropics) have real compressors (with tanks).

Greg

OMB, and so you too have a tank, and a decent sized one at that.

So here's where I'm at today. I've confirmed my separator is working. It has one of those little toy toilet paper-looking roll things as a separator medium, and it is working just fine. But it can't keep up. Not even close.

In an attempt to keep this short, I think my main problem is that my compressor is undersized and lacks a tank.

I may replace accordingly, and move the regulator/separator off the tank as well.

Thanks for all the input, everyone.

 

 

Good deduction ! I wish you luck and I think you will find this to be a good move. Let us know what you're looking at or get etc...

OMB, and so you too have a tank, and a decent sized one at that.

So here's where I'm at today. I've confirmed my separator is working. It has one of those little toy toilet paper-looking roll things as a separator medium, and it is working just fine. But it can't keep up. Not even close.

In an attempt to keep this short, I think my main problem is that my compressor is undersized and lacks a tank.

I may replace accordingly, and move the regulator/separator off the tank as well.

Thanks for all the input, everyone.

For some reason my reply was posted as I was typing. I dont know why. Something to do with these popup ads would be my guess. I used the edit function to go back and finish.

plasticjunkie

I use a Campbell Housefeld 10 gallon compressor to air brush and do other things in the garage. To airbrush I have a regulator and water trap similar to yours Greg and living in super humid Florida weather it filters out all moisture every time from the air line. I unscrew the compressor's plug every couple of weeks or so and empty out collected water. The plastic bowl in the trap also gets flushed now and then. 

 

Thanks, Ernie. If you are spraying in the garage in FL, and you have a simple air trap like mine and a 10 gallon tank, that just backs up what Wingman said about the tank acting as a separator.

That helps, thanks.